tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post1027937732278129201..comments2023-10-17T03:46:35.289-07:00Comments on Free Energy Tracker: Free Energy, Next TimeWill Gormanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11560983033718010747noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-67623750796582902922007-07-06T17:48:00.000-07:002007-07-06T17:48:00.000-07:00Frank says:"Fair enough. It does sound like that I...Frank says:<BR/><BR/>"Fair enough. It does sound like that I'll admit - but if you go to my Beta-atmosphere site and read the published papers you will find that though they are ....mmm... unconventional, they are coherently argued."<BR/><BR/>I had a quick look. I am sorry Frank, but anything claiming to replace the known laws of physics automatically falls firmly into the category of "junk science". I didn't find the papers very coherent, they jumped off into strange tangents which obfuscated rather then enlightened.<BR/><BR/>I think the reasons concrete fails the way it does under compression is probably obvious, I don't see that it requires new laws of physics.bchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014883276329736216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-76497668310686531922007-07-06T15:26:00.000-07:002007-07-06T15:26:00.000-07:00Frank says"You will find this unbelievable I know ...Frank says<BR/><BR/>"You will find this unbelievable I know - but it is tapping a new source of energy.<BR/><BR/>Uh oh, Frank, sounds like you've still got the fever!" <BR/><BR/>Fair enough. It does sound like that I'll admit - but if you go to my Beta-atmosphere site and read the published papers you will find that though they are ....mmm... unconventional, they are coherently argued.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-52568578295200074182007-07-06T15:19:00.000-07:002007-07-06T15:19:00.000-07:00MaryRead my papers in the File Section of the Beta...Mary<BR/><BR/>Read my papers in the File Section of the Beta-atmosphere Yahoo site and you will begin to understand what the Gamma-atmosphere is.<BR/><BR/>For anything else my email is<BR/>frankgrimer a in circle eff ess mail period net and no spaces.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-67417882584880248492007-07-06T14:19:00.000-07:002007-07-06T14:19:00.000-07:00Frank saysYou will find this unbelievable I know -...<I>Frank says<BR/><BR/>You will find this unbelievable I know - but it is tapping a new source of energy.</I><BR/><BR/>Uh oh, Frank, sounds like you've still got the fever!bchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014883276329736216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-40925850856551689242007-07-06T13:17:00.000-07:002007-07-06T13:17:00.000-07:00Frank may be on to something, even though I though...Frank may be on to something, even though I thought all the Irish were good Catholics.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Sean found a way to make a semi-OU device and coincidentally decided he wanted to be a cult leader.<BR/><BR/>So he used his persuasive powers on several Irish investors whom he happened to know from the pub.<BR/><BR/>Falling under the orbo spell, they coughed up 14 million, with the intent to spread the Cult of Orbo.<BR/><BR/>And so we finally have <B>The Demo</B>, which selected more unfortunates for the 15:00 Black Mass.<BR/><BR/>They will return spreading more Orbo cultism; journalists will be next.<BR/><BR/>And then? Satan only knows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-48409482391618964022007-07-06T13:12:00.000-07:002007-07-06T13:12:00.000-07:00Oh, and Frank, I am asking again. What the fook i...Oh, and Frank, I am asking again. What the fook is the "gamma atmosphere"? Where do I find links or reference which describe this? Where are the experiments and actual data on what you mean by this? Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-41509705280988299342007-07-06T13:10:00.000-07:002007-07-06T13:10:00.000-07:00Frank, you're making a common error that so many h...Frank, you're making a common error that so many honest and well meaning free energy enthusiasts make. <BR/><BR/>I don't give a flea's antenna *how* it works.<BR/><BR/>How do I get my grubby little hands (and efficient accurate instrumentation) on a device that WORKS? Can you tell me that please? I have plenty of money to buy one if you know where I can get it! But first it must WORK. Not just in the dark recesses of a mysterious laboratory-- in the open where everyone can see it.<BR/><BR/>Got one of those for me? Huhn?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-69545391945648489962007-07-06T13:01:00.000-07:002007-07-06T13:01:00.000-07:00"But that is Frank's point it DOES run. It just do..."But that is Frank's point it DOES run. It just doesn't run over-unity. And it doesn't create energy ex-nihilo (out of nothing)."<BR/><BR/>That's not quite right. Just as the Crookes Radiometer abstracts real energy from one scale of motion, so also the Orbo abstracts energy from a much finer scale of motion. This has not been done before.<BR/><BR/>All talk about high power densities is bollocks but there is enough to self sustain against bearing friction and air resistance. That is true.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-61990914997042352972007-07-06T12:33:00.000-07:002007-07-06T12:33:00.000-07:00MaryYou will find this unbelievable I know - but i...Mary<BR/><BR/>You will find this unbelievable I know - but it is tapping a new source of energy. It's doing the equivalent of the Carnot cycle on the magnosphere, the source of energy responsible for the manifestation of magnetism and the magnetic hysteresis cycle.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-2390109427887189002007-07-06T12:08:00.000-07:002007-07-06T12:08:00.000-07:00"Over the next few weeks the company will explore ..."Over the next few weeks the company will explore alternative dates for the public demonstration."<BR/><BR/><BR/>NEXT FEW WEEKS! give me a freaking break!<BR/><BR/><BR/>GET STUFFED Sean!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-48807888108707165912007-07-06T12:07:00.000-07:002007-07-06T12:07:00.000-07:00"But that is Frank's point it DOES run. It just do..."But that is Frank's point it DOES run. It just doesn't run over-unity. And it doesn't create energy ex-nihilo (out of nothing).<BR/><BR/>The bilking of money comes about because followers get to see something we heathen didn't, a running Orbo. "<BR/><BR/>Small time scammers like Tilley can run their stuff on batteries and get away with it -- but remember he was in rural Tenessee where you will find very few rocket scientists. His scam took in a few hundred thousand dollars mostly from locals.<BR/><BR/>It's hard to believe that million Euro level investors in Steorn are so unsophisticated that they would not have properly tested a proferred "running Orbo". <BR/><BR/>After all, it's really not rocket science to test for overunity at the power levels and density that Steorn claims to have.<BR/><BR/>Given proper access to the running device, some simple electrical and temperature instruments, and that lengendary screwdriver and hammer Dr. Mike was supposed to take along, I could do it in a day or two at most.<BR/><BR/>One has to wonder why rich investors have not done so (or hired someone reliable like Dr. Mike, and there are millions of other competent people, to do so).<BR/><BR/>And what the heck is a "gamma atmosphere"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-31547414106584817972007-07-06T12:06:00.000-07:002007-07-06T12:06:00.000-07:00Interesting stuff Frank!Having been involved with ...Interesting stuff Frank!<BR/><BR/>Having been involved with a start-up, a sort of fever infects the staff and occasionally investors who part with money. It's like if you believe it enough, it will happen. It's only when you break out of it do you realise that it was one plausible idea and the rest a persuasive pitch by the CEO.<BR/><BR/>PMM always tantalise by apparently being <I>nearly</I> possible, so I guess there will always be fresh recruits to the cult.bchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014883276329736216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-21721473132316891692007-07-06T11:59:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:59:00.000-07:00Hi Frank,If someone built a magnetic motor that ru...Hi Frank,<BR/><BR/>If someone built a magnetic motor that runs without external power for eight hours, it'd be a wonderful toy! Where can I get one or plans for one that actually works? I very much doubt that one exists. <BR/><BR/>What I want to find is audio or a transcript of the questions asked of Sean and his answers at the 1500 GMT news conference he supposedly gave at Kinetica. Any idea where I can get it? Also was that private for just a priviledged few or was the press admitted. Were Dr. Mike, and some forum participants there?<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-79206651176903351772007-07-06T11:48:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:48:00.000-07:00MaryIt will run but not do any useful work. One of...Mary<BR/><BR/>It will run but not do any useful work. One of the spuds has built one which ran for 8 hours.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-46753318362312795092007-07-06T11:46:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:46:00.000-07:00OT:Just to be excited about something that may act...OT:<BR/>Just to be excited about something that may actually have a chance at being real...<BR/><BR/>Did anyone see that EESTOR has a new US patent application published on 6/28/07 under Weir and Nelson.<BR/><BR/><BR/># 20070148065Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-57893058555987045402007-07-06T11:44:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:44:00.000-07:00MaryWell, if it "creates" energy, it is supernatur...Mary<BR/><BR/>Well, if it "creates" energy, it is supernatural isn't it. That's why he never took up my suggestion of the Gamma-atmosphere.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-61316759520420997222007-07-06T11:42:00.001-07:002007-07-06T11:42:00.001-07:00But that is Frank's point it DOES run. It just do...But that is Frank's point it DOES run. It just doesn't run over-unity. And it doesn't create energy ex-nihilo (out of nothing).<BR/><BR/>The bilking of money comes about because followers get to see something we heathen didn't, a running Orbo. They therefore believe themselves to be priviledged because of their "faith" in a moment of darkness. (Like St. John at the foot of the cross). Sean convinces them that with more money they'll achieve over-unity build a spaceship and build a new paradise somewhere without the problems of this world.<BR/><BR/>Tom Cruise will be a member soon!<BR/><BR/>There are cults without explicit supernaturality. Read a little.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-76799523153719843272007-07-06T11:42:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:42:00.000-07:00Anonymous is right about one thing. There is manip...Anonymous is right about one thing. There is manipulation and the cockup was deliberate as Shaun admits. But it is him that is being manipulated, not the media.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-5362904410571224662007-07-06T11:36:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:36:00.000-07:00Agreed Frank that is a good theory, I've studied c...Agreed Frank that is a good theory, I've studied cult behaviour and there are parallels here. There was definitely something very bizarre about their behaviour over the last few days. On video outside the museum they don't even seem that stressed. They weren't in there beavering overnight, nothing was even fitted to the Orbo casing. It appears that no attempt was made to fix it.<BR/><BR/>The 15:00 hours meeting Friday was presumeably a recruiting drive. Interesting time of the day to pick. Didn't Jesus die at 3pm on a Friday? Perhaps Sean will claim in future that that was his crucifixion by the world who disbelieved in him.<BR/><BR/>The "documentary" being made is paid for by Steorn, so presumeably that is not a documentary at all but footage for a recruitment video once they have sorted out the wheat from the chaff.<BR/><BR/>The followers will be bilked of their money. That is perhaps the scam and the source of the funds that people have been looking for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-67042202413531509312007-07-06T11:33:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:33:00.000-07:00frank, as long as you've edited out the people's n...frank, as long as you've edited out the people's names, I don't see why not.Will Gormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11560983033718010747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-76212448517202052222007-07-06T11:30:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:30:00.000-07:00"The failure was quite deliberate to separate the ..."The failure was quite deliberate to separate the believers who could be manipulated from the rest."<BR/><BR/>Wow! That's a stretch. What about this: <BR/><BR/>Sean's just following the common pattern of similar con men -- he's stretching out the gravy train as long as he can and leaving as much weasel room for himself as he can. It's what Carl Tilley, Beardsley, Dennis Lee, and all the other "successful" free energy frauders have done. <BR/><BR/>You can establish a cult based on something claimed to be supernatural. It's hard to imagine one being based on a little block of plastic that won't run.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-17440669954367956092007-07-06T11:29:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:29:00.000-07:00Look at the pictures of him addressing the faithfu...Look at the pictures of him addressing the faithful. You will see the tables arranged round the Orbo in a liturgical fashion. Anyone who has ever had any connection with religion or seen horror films which deal with such things, will recognise it.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-59097064785569557632007-07-06T11:26:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:26:00.000-07:00"They have dozens of prototypes they could have fl..."They have dozens of prototypes they could have flown in from Dublin, but those are real motors - 20, 50, 100 bhp motors; not the kind of unambiguous OU they wanted to show."<BR/><BR/>That's totally illogical and nonsensical and well, at this point, it can only be described as moronic!<BR/><BR/>Why in the world would they not show a powerful motor if they have one? It truly mystifies me that *anyone* can believe that at this point. <BR/><BR/>Clearly, you're no Mr. Spock!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-3533123554202758142007-07-06T11:22:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:22:00.000-07:00I didn't have time to edit out the names but if th...I didn't have time to edit out the names but if the moderator allows me I will post it here after I have deleted the names.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-41763138837032847772007-07-06T11:11:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:11:00.000-07:00I posted the thread to show that people were behav...I posted the thread to show that people were behaving irrationally because they were being drawn into a cult. <BR/><BR/>Shaun has a pmm but it can't do any useful work. He is using it to set up a cult the cult of the Orbo.<BR/><BR/>Study how cults begin and you will see that I am correct.<BR/><BR/>Th failure was quite deliberate to separate the believers who could be manipulated from the rest.Frank Grimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16876221410083393509noreply@blogger.com