tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post3032286863322887070..comments2023-10-17T03:46:35.289-07:00Comments on Free Energy Tracker: Dr. Mike's ProgressWill Gormanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11560983033718010747noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-35614132837328000272007-05-17T14:12:00.000-07:002007-05-17T14:12:00.000-07:00Well said anonymous academic! I hope I can buy yo...Well said anonymous academic! I hope I can buy you a Guinness one of these days!<BR/><BR/>There's a lot to learn here, but it's mostly about psychology :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-58911149708631038962007-05-17T06:18:00.000-07:002007-05-17T06:18:00.000-07:00Please, stop with the nonsense about scientific sc...Please, stop with the nonsense about scientific sceptics being afraid that it is true. That is nonsense.<BR/><BR/>I am an academic, and a sceptic of Steorn's claim. If what they have is real, it would force me to change an awful lot of my views of the world.<BR/><BR/>And I would be delighted to do so. This wouldn't cost me my job ... it would make my job a heck of a lot more interesting!<BR/><BR/>I believe CoE because I have seen tons of reasons to believe it and no reasons not to. When you have lots of evidence for a theory and absolutely no evidence against it, you would have to be quite mad to disbelieve it. It is not an article of faith, it is an article of sane judgment.<BR/><BR/>If Steorn demonstrates a CoE-violating effect, well, then that changes the situation. Evidence against something as fundamental as CoE would require a revolutionary reworking of lots of science and mathematics. <BR/><BR/>And I really would love it if that would happen. For one thing, an unlimited source of clean, free energy would be an enormous boon to humankind. As a human, I am in favor of enormous boons to humankind. It would create an awful lot of work to rewrite lots of scientific theory AND THAT WOULD BE FUN. I am also in favor of fun.<BR/><BR/>Scientists are not priests guarding an orthodox faith against heresy. Science is not about maintaining a set of revealed truths, it is about investigating the world through experiment and theory. Any real scientist will readily acknowledge that there is lots about the world that we don't know, and that the scientific theories of 100 years hence will no doubt contain things that we would find quite surprising today. Any real scientist would welcome an advance in our understanding of the world, even if it contradicts previous understanding. <BR/><BR/>However, "Sean says so and some people think he is credible" is simply not sufficient evidence to throw out a thoroughly well-evidenced theory. Real, unhedged, clear and unambiguous physical evidence, though, is another matter entirely.<BR/><BR/>I do not believe that Sean has what he says he has. I would be delighted to be proven wrong. The "scientific establishment" does not fear Steorn's evidence. We just haven't seen any of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-2099538628180109322007-05-16T22:11:00.000-07:002007-05-16T22:11:00.000-07:00Even skeptics wish that Steorn's claim were true. ...Even skeptics wish that Steorn's claim were true. However, wishing isn’t enough. “Orbo” is never going to happen. For me it hasn’t been the scientific impossibility of “free energy” that drove me away from the “fence”, it’s been Sean’s actions over the last 9 months. When this was announced in August of last year, I was skeptical, but like everyone else, I was caught up in the dream. Now I simply don’t believe Steorn’s claim. Sean has dragged this thing out for too long. We are coming up on 9 months! If he wasn't prepared to provide evidence why all the hoopla? Why didn’t they just go into lockdown mode until they where ready to provide evidence? There is absolutely no reason to have a forum, accept public speaking engagements, or submit to interviews without evidence. In my opinion, that’s what makes Sean look suspicious. He seems to be trying too hard to “sell” the dream of free energy. Which begs the question, why?<BR/><BR/>Did Sean raise funds several years ago with an impossible promise? Did the investors grow weary or impatient when Steorn couldn’t produce a miracle energy machine? Did Sean come up with this strategy when he felt the heat of potential lawsuits, or worse? Did his investors begin to suspect fraud? Is Steorn engaged in this last desperate act to prevent charges? Sean’s actions to date make a reasonable person wonder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-75653905820751436362007-05-16T21:00:00.000-07:002007-05-16T21:00:00.000-07:00"The burden of proof is on you matey boy, you're t..."The burden of proof is on you matey boy, you're the one making the accusation."<BR/><BR/>Aww... isn't that cute...Thickets got a stalker.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you need a new handle Thicket. How about Scaramanga, or Blofeld, If you want to stick with the theme. (G)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-7945207046893182192007-05-16T19:43:00.000-07:002007-05-16T19:43:00.000-07:00The July demo will not happen! This is obvious bec...The July demo will not happen! This is obvious because Steorn will not even announce the Demo until Demo day! That is the worst PD move I have ever heard of. I think Sean will blame the lawyers again! The longer this goes on the weirder it gets!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-44655663970183180632007-05-16T19:36:00.000-07:002007-05-16T19:36:00.000-07:00Sean has failed a number of credibility tests. DrM...Sean has failed a number of credibility tests. DrMike's proposal is the next test.<BR/><BR/>If Sean refuses or ignores the request, that's another credibility hit.<BR/><BR/>I expect that Sean will<BR/>1. ignore the request or<BR/>2. effectively kill it with double-talk and procrastination.<BR/><BR/>Prove me wrong, Sean.<BR/><BR/>Thicket <BR/>-----------------------<BR/><BR/>The burden of proof is on you matey boy, you're the one making the accusation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-81597095959911488362007-05-16T19:30:00.000-07:002007-05-16T19:30:00.000-07:00Wow, this really is a lot of fun!Thanks for the wo...Wow, this really is a lot of fun!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the words of support. I really would like to find an infinite energy source, just like the guys at Earthtech.<BR/><BR/>It has been quite an Aikido like day. Check out the "Sv Experiment" thread when you get a chance - I need all the help I can get to make sure I measure Sv right!<BR/><BR/>Patience, persistence, truth,<BR/>Dr. mikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-27530919746587693862007-05-16T18:24:00.000-07:002007-05-16T18:24:00.000-07:00uh, am i really the only one who laughed at the co...uh, am i really the only one who laughed at the comment?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-15605514406824286552007-05-16T17:22:00.000-07:002007-05-16T17:22:00.000-07:00http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?Discussio...http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=56471&page=7<BR/><BR/>Sean:On Pennies, I am sure they will come back if they want to, on Thicket, lol what can I say, it would seem unfair on the old fella, might seem like I was picking on him - but I am quite sure that he will be back in, or have someone come back in with his latest fraud theory. He is 'following the money' and doing a great job at misunderstanding holding companies, offshore companies, BES investments, share transfers, CRO filings and so on, but hey it keeps the fella off the streets.<BR/><BR/>--<BR/><BR/>I am curious as to where the 'misunderstanding' on Thicket's part is. Maybe Sean could enlighten us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-42698481763011470192007-05-16T16:47:00.000-07:002007-05-16T16:47:00.000-07:00I think drmike is wise to be careful of experiment...I think drmike is wise to be careful of experimental details and the NDA. It gives Sean a perfect 'out'. <BR/><BR/>Example: Drmike posts a thread detailing an experiment. Sean deletes it, bans him and states that obviously he can't be trusted to examine a machine as he 'doesn't respect their NDA'. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Remember that me asking Crank a question was taken as evidence that I don't respect NDAs.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17655287350627311126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-12014259214276630562007-05-16T16:35:00.000-07:002007-05-16T16:35:00.000-07:00Sean likes to keep people posting 'on the hop'. He...Sean likes to keep people posting 'on the hop'. He's very good at seeming credible in quick exchanges - I would imagine that, face to face, he is a very good debater.<BR/><BR/>He dislikes it when people think too much about what he is saying or dissect his comments at a later date.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17655287350627311126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-79156018431388552762007-05-16T15:54:00.000-07:002007-05-16T15:54:00.000-07:00You know, I find the cynics' "thinking" processes ...You know, I find the cynics' "thinking" processes to be gut-bustingly hilarious.<BR/><BR/>I want Dr. Mike to get his science on as much as anyone, but all of a sudden you cynics all treat Dr. Mike as if he is THE solution, THE "second coming," etc. just so that the other guy can look bad in your eyes, however temporarily.<BR/><BR/>Look, this is very easy, eggheads: either Steorn have what they claim or they don't.<BR/><BR/>Even if Steorn spurned visits by every interested journalist and scientist in the world, they are unavoidably going to be judged scientifically if they ever get their products to market.<BR/><BR/>So what is this drama bullcrap that you keep indulging in about whether Sean is a scammer or not? What is the point?<BR/><BR/>If there's no free energy, your lives are going on the same as before.<BR/><BR/>If there is...you're going to have to examine your entire cognition process.<BR/><BR/>And that's what I think you're most afraid of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-79525435002937977382007-05-16T14:26:00.000-07:002007-05-16T14:26:00.000-07:00If Mike had a plane ticket, I would be far less su...If Mike had a plane ticket, I would be far less suspicious of Seans motives in badgering Mike today.<BR/><BR/>Any bets Mike never sees a ticket? Remember, the same person who was arranging the Atkins test is handling Mikes arrangents. <BR/><BR/>"oh, the airlines don't do those types of flights."<BR/><BR/>LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-27450054427858611852007-05-16T14:23:00.000-07:002007-05-16T14:23:00.000-07:00I have every confidence drmike can handle himself,...I have every confidence drmike can handle himself, he has proven that time after time. <BR/><BR/>I found it ironic that Sean went on and on about what amounts to a mountain in a molehill contrasted to the issue at hand, the experiments, which go the the core of things. Most of us care not a wit about any misunderstandings about mere logistics, email, communication response times, or any of that fluff. It is the experiments that we care about.<BR/><BR/>Seans belittling of drmike's sig line and his use of communication noise to impune drmike's veracity was pushing the line. Again,ironic since drmike is trying to bend over backwards to protect Sean's and Steorn's propriarity info, and respect the NDA.<BR/><BR/>However, I think it is important for everyone to keep as much light on the subject as possible, and to avoid heat. Entropy is all to ready to pounce. A certain amount of behavioral flexability and Aikido is called for at this critical juncture IMHO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-85594058257286391812007-05-16T14:19:00.000-07:002007-05-16T14:19:00.000-07:00Wow, that was depressing. As unlikely as their c...Wow, that was depressing. <BR/><BR/>As unlikely as their claim is, I still keep finding myself hoping it's real. But it sure appears that Sean is looking to pick a fight with Dr Mike, or, failing that, setting the stage to discredit him. Either way gets him out of having any tire-kicking ever really actually place....<BR/><BR/>Good on Dr Mike for not taking the bait. Sadly, that exchange dimmed the last rays of hope I had that this is for real.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-64128178589152772332007-05-16T14:01:00.000-07:002007-05-16T14:01:00.000-07:00So Sean shows up, gets on DrMikes case demanding a...So Sean shows up, gets on DrMikes case demanding a resonse for an hour, concerning something that happened April 18th?<BR/><BR/>And why is this important to Sean now?<BR/><BR/>Weird. But hey, at least no one is talking about the financials anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-83919629150467242402007-05-16T13:40:00.000-07:002007-05-16T13:40:00.000-07:00A few of Sean's taunts at drmike:CommentAuthorSteo...A few of Sean's taunts at drmike:<BR/><BR/>CommentAuthorSteorn <BR/>Mike, ok, so its now stainless steel, care to comment on your lapse of memory on the 2 days, did you get your ticket? Will you upgrade your strapline? <BR/><BR/>CommentAuthorSteorn <BR/>"Patience, persistence, truth"<BR/><BR/>to<BR/><BR/>"When I remember patience, persistence, truth, and silence when asked a question"<BR/><BR/>Sean<BR/>"Galactic Conquest and Screwdriver Sets"<BR/><BR/>Now Sean is questioning drmikes honesty, I won't bother to quote those here. I'm afraid that drmike is going to go the way of HK and become the villan Sean is making him out to be.<BR/><BR/>Drmike is one of the nicest guys on the forum too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-26771225434563307552007-05-16T13:38:00.000-07:002007-05-16T13:38:00.000-07:00Honesty and accuracy are two completely separate i...Honesty and accuracy are two completely separate issues. <BR/><BR/>I believe this issue to be accuracy. By calling it an issue of honesty it has become emotionally charged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-39757472794922948252007-05-16T13:23:00.000-07:002007-05-16T13:23:00.000-07:00Sean is pitching a fit because Mike doesn't answer...Sean is pitching a fit because Mike doesn't answer him immediately.<BR/><BR/>So Crank felt the need to interject nothing but a video of someone running from a fight.<BR/><BR/>Why was she at the College presentation? She and Sean could never arrange for her to go see the 'Validation Orbo' due to conflicting schedules etc., but at a moments notice she shows up at a Dublin College to listen to him speak? So she can comment about those nasty scientists and there 'faith'.<BR/><BR/>I am really beginning to think she's a plant and has been from day one. I have to laugh when I read a comment from her about how she is only '30% a believer'. So 70% of the time she believes her beloved Sean is either a pathological liar or an incompetent boob?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-58200884588024287622007-05-16T13:15:00.000-07:002007-05-16T13:15:00.000-07:00Sean:Fair point, but he has agreed to go and test ...Sean:<BR/>Fair point, but he has agreed to go and test it, and I felt that he was not quite honest on the matter, or the testing matter, so I decided to question him on it, thats all, lol, ya know I should also get a chance to ask questions once in a while :bigsmile:<BR/><BR/>--<BR/><BR/>"I felt that he was not quite honest"<BR/><BR/>Thats kind of like calling someone a liar, no?<BR/><BR/>Sean you have banned people for less than your actions today.<BR/><BR/>Dr.Mike is keeping a stiff upper lip, good on him.<BR/><BR/>Sean, why are you trying to pick a fight? Is this going to be another Pennies or Hairykrishna episode?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-34786564912771079092007-05-16T13:05:00.000-07:002007-05-16T13:05:00.000-07:00I would guess this latest discussion is the reason...I would guess this latest discussion is the reason for the latest removal of dissenters. <BR/><BR/>Sean wanted to moan at DrMike for being less than truthfull, but he knew any right minded person would have reminded him of his own less than truthfull endevours. <BR/><BR/>550bhp, There is no book, there is a book, We are going to demo our device but we are not going to tell you where or when..etc etc etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-54170250932872023932007-05-16T12:28:00.000-07:002007-05-16T12:28:00.000-07:00He's making it up as he goes along."Hi Penny,We us...He's making it up as he goes along.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Hi Penny,<BR/><BR/>We use diffenet types of magnets (usually Neodymium). Now please answer my question.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>Sean "<BR/><BR/>http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=20521&page=4&Focus=425131#Item_44Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-60106517600100097772007-05-16T12:22:00.000-07:002007-05-16T12:22:00.000-07:00It looks a little like a remake of the pennies sho...It looks a little like a remake of the pennies show. <BR/><BR/>By the way, did anyone notice that the avatar of the nosy account icon<BR/><BR/>http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j290/Pogmahone/Magnet%20stuff/Lurker-32x32.png<BR/><BR/>and cranks animated gif from the drmike thread <BR/><BR/>http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j290/Pogmahone/radB58CF.gif<BR/><BR/>are stored in the same place? <BR/>Maybe crank is Seans wife? :o)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-82135123556611843772007-05-16T12:14:00.000-07:002007-05-16T12:14:00.000-07:00Sean will do anything he can to stop/discourage Dr...Sean will do anything he can to stop/discourage DrMike from coming, as long as he is able to put the blame on DrMike.<BR/><BR/>If DrMike does go, Sean will do everything possible to limit DrMike's viewing / testing / disassembling of the Steorn device.<BR/><BR/>You can smell Sean's fear and suspicion.Tundraboghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09737285403171800878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-89481128025455155902007-05-16T11:42:00.000-07:002007-05-16T11:42:00.000-07:00sonoboy:There was practicly no 'lag' for 35 grade ...sonoboy:There was practicly no 'lag' for 35 grade neo and same readings for a cheap Radio shack ceramic. ~ 10 microseconds to full signal amplitude in both cases..<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Sean - Ok, this is one of the points that I raised with Mike, the lag is real, its not a Steorn 'invention', its a fact of the ferro magnetic world, if you cant measure it then it shows a problem with your experiment. Steorn did not discover lag, its been known about for 150 years. So again if you cant measure it, for sure you cant do a thermodynamic analysis of it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>--------<BR/><BR/>There's the setup. Next comes "well you aren't qualified to test our machine". <BR/><BR/>Nooo....he wouldn't do that would he?.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com