tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post433795491939853042..comments2023-10-17T03:46:35.289-07:00Comments on Free Energy Tracker: Engadget Interiew: The Interesting PartsWill Gormanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11560983033718010747noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-17973695230187819922007-07-23T09:41:00.000-07:002007-07-23T09:41:00.000-07:00"Crank's a nutter, in my estimation."... and the s..."Crank's a nutter, in my estimation."<BR/><BR/>... and the same goes for Magnatrix. While they can't seem to build any overunity devices, Steorn can certainly pick effective censors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-15237695070014661922007-07-21T16:49:00.000-07:002007-07-21T16:49:00.000-07:00So, skidoo, continue with what you were developing...So, skidoo, continue with what you were developing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-36994080522051359352007-07-21T15:05:00.000-07:002007-07-21T15:05:00.000-07:00Crank banned me with no warning because I mentione...Crank banned me with no warning because <A HREF="http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59088&page=2#Item_8" REL="nofollow">I mentioned the phrase "Czech Dream."</A> She claimed I was a sock puppet. <BR/><BR/>Of course, <A HREF="http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=59088&page=1#Item_1" REL="nofollow">that thread I created</A> represents the first time I've ever posted over there. Crank's a nutter, in my estimation.<BR/><BR/>To be fair, I e-mailed the other moderator, and he/she told me that I could create a new account and it would be approved. Pfffpth. Whatever. Not worth the trouble. The signal-to-noise ratio is much better over here anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-53282398812000981372007-07-20T08:50:00.000-07:002007-07-20T08:50:00.000-07:00Snakeoil is good since we will never run out of it...Snakeoil is good since we will never run out of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-31050790362570353472007-07-19T20:07:00.000-07:002007-07-19T20:07:00.000-07:00So the answer to the energy crisis is SNAKEOIL!So the answer to the energy crisis is SNAKEOIL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-2182995789115341632007-07-19T19:53:00.000-07:002007-07-19T19:53:00.000-07:00The first part of the above post was cut-off and h...The first part of the above post was cut-off and here it is again complete:<BR/><BR/>____________________________<BR/><BR/>If Over Unity is achievable and that is a debate unto itself, then my instinct tells me it will not be done by a company like Steorn and certainly not in this manner. If it is a con though, then Steorn is a pretty good candidate. <BR/><BR/>They were in the fraud detection business. Ostensibly they have a lot of expertise in the workings of fraudsters. They know the good ones and the bad ones and why so. They are aware of the laws as pertaining to fraud (otherwise on what basis can you declare something a fraud?) and to what extent there is room to play with, short of blatant criminality.<BR/><BR/>They also handled Intellectual Property projects for clients and boasted being a turnkey solution for other companies or inventors to help them realize their creations.<BR/><BR/>So you have some expertise in two crucial areas: intimate knowledge of how frauds operate and the process of getting an IP project off the ground.<BR/><BR/>They also had an insolvent company in 2005 and had to acquire new revenue streams if they were to survive. Hmmm, what to do, what to do?<BR/><BR/>Looking at options, Over Unity may have stood out as a possible avenue for a couple of reasons. First they know OU cannot be patented so they are safe there. They also know that most reputable scientist will not touch it with a ten foot pole and consider it to be a pseudoscience (what better way to keep the science cops off your tail?). They also know of the track record of many (all) OU claims in the past and present and how long these other OU ventures have managed to string things out without ever delivering what they promise. And their most striking feature: the science of it all is just murky enough to provide lots of slippery slopes that would-be debunkers would slide around on.<BR/><BR/>Free Energy is such a compelling cause no more so than in recent years with oil supplies diminishing, maxed out refining capacity and the price going higher and higher. So it has a very high attraction factor built in.<BR/><BR/>On this basis they could then develop their own OU scheme taking advantage of their past expertise and applying it to a pseudo-scientific field that is so murky and bizarre that hasn't fooled real scientists but could the naive "Rube," investor and groupie.<BR/><BR/>Scientists know that the universe provides no free lunch. Investors do not want to hear or think that otherwise why invest in the first place if the reward is not going to be there. The groupies truly want OU for the solution to our energy woes and because they are somewhat iconoclastic about classical science. The investors want to get stinking rich. And the skeptics? They are like ants at a picnic to Steorn - annoying but inevitable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-2539474436749437972007-07-19T19:26:00.000-07:002007-07-19T19:26:00.000-07:00of the laws as pertaining to fraud (otherwise on w...of the laws as pertaining to fraud (otherwise on what basis can you declare something a fraud?) and to what extent there is room to play with, short of blatant criminality.<BR/><BR/>They also handled Intellectual Property projects for clients and boasted being a turnkey solution for other companies or inventors to help them realize their creations.<BR/><BR/>So you have some expertise in two crucial areas: intimate knowledge of how frauds operate and the process of getting an IP project off the ground.<BR/><BR/>They also had an insolvent company in 2005 and had to acquire new revenue streams if they were to survive. Hmmm, what to do, what to do?<BR/><BR/>Looking at options, Over Unity may have stood out as a possible avenue for a couple of reasons. First they know OU cannot be patented so they are safe there. They also know that most reputable scientist will not touch it with a ten foot pole and consider it to be a pseudoscience (what better way to keep the science cops off your tail?). They also know of the track record of many (all) OU claims in the past and present and how long these other OU ventures have managed to string things out without ever delivering what they promise. And their most striking feature: the science of it all is just murky enough to provide lots of slippery slopes that would-be debunkers would slide around on.<BR/><BR/>Free Energy is such a compelling cause no more so than in recent years with oil supplies diminishing, maxed out refining capacity and the price going higher and higher. So it has a very high attraction factor built in.<BR/><BR/>On this basis they could then develop their own OU scheme taking advantage of their past expertise and applying it to a pseudo-scientific field that is so murky and bizarre that hasn't fooled real scientists but could the naive "Rube," investor and groupie.<BR/><BR/>Scientists know that the universe provides no free lunch. Investors do not want to hear or think that otherwise why invest in the first place if the reward is not going to be there. The groupies truly want OU for the solution to our energy woes and because they are somewhat iconoclastic about classical science. The investors want to get stinking rich. And the skeptics? They are like ants at a picnic to Steorn - annoying but inevitable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-74597774672889691092007-07-19T18:48:00.000-07:002007-07-19T18:48:00.000-07:00I have been on the Steorn forum since almost the ...I have been on the Steorn forum since almost the beginning and I have felt that the forum was a creation of Steorn to get a "feel" for how their con was going. Instant feedback. Conmen seem to survive longest by knowing exactly which buttons to press on their Mark. But to do that they need to see if the Mark is still in the game or is faltering. It is a "tell" of sorts using the Internet forum. If they see the Mark starting to resist they know it is time for some new material to keep the Mark's attention. In this case things like: Flash demos, pending patents, hints of 3rd party involvement, news of humane projects like the African pumps, the SPDC, the participation by Sean in the forum, the media interviews, and most recently the Kinetica demo.<BR/><BR/>These are things that have been traipsed out at intervals when Steorn felt the natives were getting restless and needed some invigoration.<BR/><BR/>For pyramid schemes to develop and work for example, the most important thing for the con artist is time. Pyramid or Ponzi schemes need a lot of time to build up to levels that prove profitable for the con artist for in the beginning of the process they are paying out to keep the initial investors plugged in by appealing to their greed. <BR/><BR/>While the Orbo thing is arguably perhaps not a pyramid scheme Steorn has established a built-in gimmick to create the stall. It is the jury selection followed by a long mysterious process to achieve a mythical validation day. Coupled with the numerous NDA's which preclude people from talking about anything for years, Steorn has created a couple of tools to help them buy time. <BR/><BR/>The SPDC was really to draw out the staunchest skeptics and sequester them under NDA but in fact, they will never be shown anything of value. The true believers who belong to the SPDC are just window dressing and can serve to spread the gospel for Steorn through their unbridled, starry-eyed enthusiasm. They will also receive nothing of value. <BR/><BR/>However, in my estimation for the con to have continued with vigor the demo had to work! It had to be just enough to calm the skeptics a tad (at least confuse them more) and really embrace the true believers who by then would be rabid and future bitter enders for Steorn.<BR/><BR/>Now considering that the 30 or so investors are believers (why would a skeptic drop a dime on this) who are looking to reap gigantic profits the inertia to believe is fueled by the fact that greed is blinding them. <BR/><BR/>Temporarily anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-11610053127453821032007-07-19T16:05:00.000-07:002007-07-19T16:05:00.000-07:00Hi,As far as the Steorn forum is concerned, unders...Hi,<BR/><BR/>As far as the Steorn forum is concerned, understand that it is "tool" of their's...<BR/><BR/>It is not to help "you". It is meant to help "them"! Expect anything negative or damning to be edited and/or manipulated at their pleasure. You will have to go to an independent forum if you want the unfiltered true story.<BR/><BR/>I have moderated forums for longer than I can remember and the moderators do have "total control" over every word that is posted (they can change what you say easily). For a controversial thing like this, I would not even bother playing "their game" on their forum. Once you get to be a negative to fulfilling their goal, you will be gone. Expect many "fake" personalities planted just to "sell" the product...<BR/><BR/>And I just have to say again, Steorn is a fraud and they are stealing investors money. They have shown nothing, they have nothing, and they can't even do a good fake Orbo. They have no technology. They have no patents and the patent "applications" they have will be rejected in due time. The only thing they have are lies and criminal fraud to bring in money. Three years later... They are just fishing for investment fools, and they still seem to be able to find them...<BR/><BR/>The only thing left for Steorn is this (cool if you have never heard the whole thing ;-))<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/26mxvt<BR/><BR/>VardanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-86460963177844581062007-07-19T15:22:00.000-07:002007-07-19T15:22:00.000-07:00"She is just another cog in the Steorn BS marketin..."She is just another cog in the Steorn BS marketing machine and should be treated with the utmost contempt."<BR/><BR/>Come on. That's BS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-69093408440459637872007-07-19T13:53:00.000-07:002007-07-19T13:53:00.000-07:0015 india street, thanks for the offer, but frankly...15 india street, thanks for the offer, but frankly what for. If any mod decide to ban me, and I feel I did not break any rule, then why should I take the effort to get another user name, just to be banned again for reason as spurious as they offer. I will simply concentrate myself here and on fizzx if this happen. I will miss Grant thread. A good way to have a good laugh, at somebody which read the bible, read the principle of christianty, and <B>did not understand a word of it and what the meaning of those are </B>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-64570259958835981242007-07-19T13:09:00.000-07:002007-07-19T13:09:00.000-07:00I don't think my posts on the steorn fora were eve...I don't think my posts on the steorn fora were ever very rude or insulting. But I tend to write about publicly known, but sensitive information. I was originally banned for that from the Steorn forum. Last weeks all posts that have clearly my signature were removed within minutes.<BR/><BR/>NB If anybody really needs a Steorn account, give your e-mail address and I will give you one.Ping1400https://www.blogger.com/profile/05945825996144115384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-20657393513384662352007-07-19T11:11:00.000-07:002007-07-19T11:11:00.000-07:00I got banned for posting a poemOld Womens Knickers...I got banned for posting a poem<BR/><BR/>Old Womens Knickers:<BR/><BR/>Roses are red<BR/>Violets are blue<BR/>Crank's are pink<BR/><BR/><BR/>ha ha <BR/><BR/><BR/>That was enough for her. <BR/>So much so that i was banned about 30 times when the forum was still 'open' for new user's.<BR/><BR/>Even when i was offered a new posting account by someone at steorn, when Crank saw it ...BAN.<BR/><BR/>She's a bitter old battle axe is Crank, she strikes me as someone who has yearned for authority all her life and will probably be a broken old thing when steorn blows over.<BR/><BR/>Poor thing. Maybe we could start a new forum when steorn goes and pop in to bow to her will every once in a while. Kind of like help the aged...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-40398844307882905152007-07-19T10:46:00.000-07:002007-07-19T10:46:00.000-07:00Well, for what it's worth, "Pennies" was banned so...Well, for what it's worth, "Pennies" was banned some time before the July non-demo and so was I, supposedly because Magnatrix believed that I was Pennies!<BR/><BR/>The banning and censoring is sporadic, spotty, capricious and makes absolutely no sense. At least the psychic forums are consistent. They simply ban anyone who doesn't believe that their psychic is for real.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I have no way to know but it seems as if the moderators are not paid or hired by Steorn-- I think they are just volunteers who see their main job as protecting the faithful if not the faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-67990199321096374222007-07-19T10:44:00.000-07:002007-07-19T10:44:00.000-07:00I thought that Crank banned Sean once.Can’t people...I thought that Crank banned Sean once.<BR/><BR/>Can’t people pick one someone else if they must have a scapegoat? <BR/><BR/>Sean is the one who has been a very naughty boy, and didn’t prepare properly for the demo.<BR/><BR/>Does Orbo work, no, does the moderation on the Steorn forum work, yes.<BR/><BR/>At least Steorn have something that works, even if it is only the forum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-46446353750462262272007-07-19T10:30:00.000-07:002007-07-19T10:30:00.000-07:00This Crank-person claims she is a fence-sitter, bu...This Crank-person claims she is a fence-sitter, but acts like a true believer.<BR/><BR/>There has never been any moderation in the forum. But suddenly it started - If you "torment" believers, you'll be banned. Woah! Up to demo it's been possible to say about anything with any tone, but when believers (Crank included) lose, then she starts cencoring.<BR/><BR/>You may call people shitheads and idiots, tell them to stick thumbs into ass, etc. but you MAY NOT remind believers what they have said prior demo. If you do, Crank punishes!!<BR/><BR/>I hope this Crank-person understands that she is a lousy moderator and decides to retire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-51884439504933517252007-07-19T10:29:00.000-07:002007-07-19T10:29:00.000-07:00Regarding the Crank commentary, I could not agree ...Regarding the Crank commentary, I could not agree more. I find Crank an even more insidious presence, however, because she is part and parcle of the Steorn scheme. Despite her protestations to the contrary, she is likely heavily involved with Steorn (whether professionally or socially) and herself a vested, fervent believer in the OU nonsense. The fact that she claims to be a neutral, fair "moderator" just turns my stomach. Her real objective is to protect Steorn's interests and public image at every turn in order to assist Steorn in perpetrating the fraud. She is just another cog in the Steorn BS marketing machine and should be treated with the utmost contempt.JTerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141637937709808924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-24832297125038408382007-07-19T07:00:00.000-07:002007-07-19T07:00:00.000-07:00"She had to ask her faithful minions how wonderful..."She had to ask her faithful minions how wonderful she is. They all obliged with telling her how gracious she is."<BR/><BR/>That's sad. That's like Crank walking into a room with a loaded gun, pointing it around, and asking "who doesn't like me" when everyone in the room knows you have killed without remorse or consequence before. <BR/><BR/>Stroke that ego. Blech! Sickening!<BR/><BR/>(who polices the police, Sean)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-13669219601457240712007-07-19T05:45:00.000-07:002007-07-19T05:45:00.000-07:00Had to have a chuckle at the Steorn Forum this mor...Had to have a chuckle at the Steorn Forum this morning- Cranky's feelings were hurt by maryyugo's comments (comments made here)about her moderating. She had to ask her faithful minions how wonderful she is. They all obliged with telling her how gracious she is. Nobody specifically complimented her on her recent roasting of DrMike (it was all his fault we got no technical info out of the 'demo'- she did a much better job when she went to visit Steorn, etc...). Or her lambasting of HK who simply caught Sean in some of his lies (complete misinterpretation and misapplication of Neother's Theorem, anyone?). Or her general ability to allow the believers to say anything they like to anyone they like while banning the sceptical for suspicion of farting- but I'm sure they all feel a little warm and queasy inside after kissing her feet. <BR/><BR/>I know some here have good opinions of Crank- as an outside observer to Steorn's forum for six months or so I certainly cannot agree. The longer this (the Steorn comedy) goes on the more opportunity she has to lower my opinion of her- and she has yet to pass up an opportunity. <BR/><BR/>I'm sure the anonymous ramblings of an anonymous non-Steorn forum member mean absolutely nothing to her or anyone else. But I just about wanted to retch this morning after reading her whine thread. Now I've had mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-21038313311683800392007-07-19T05:12:00.000-07:002007-07-19T05:12:00.000-07:00Here's a thought: now that Kinetica has closed its...Here's a thought: now that Kinetica has closed its doors at Spitalfields as of last Sunday, why didn't Sean use that as an excuse for his failed demo? He says he was forced to display because of a pre-announcement, but all I ever saw was a promise to display a demo some time in July which I naturally took to mean near the end of July. I never saw any pre-announcement, did anybody else? In fact I only read a rumor about Kinetica plus saw the leaked video of Sean smoking & chewing gum at the same time, like the day before.<BR/><BR/>Similarly, this excuse could also serve as the reason for not giving Dr. Mike any time with the demo unit; because they were in a rush to get the display built and operating for a 10 day run before the exhibit space shut down.<BR/><BR/>??Shrug?? Where else in the world can you display a perpetual motion machine except Kinetica Museum in London? Can't think of any other place that has that crucial mix of location, visibility, support, logistics, and bullshit tolerance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-24868551408102594952007-07-18T21:33:00.000-07:002007-07-18T21:33:00.000-07:00Just so you all know how "complex" jeweled bearing...Just so you all know how "complex" jeweled bearings are...<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/ywlx4x<BR/><BR/>About 10 minutes of a "real" mechanical engineer's time...<BR/><BR/>This place sells them retail to anyone:<BR/><BR/>http://www.smallparts.com<BR/><BR/>So Steorn, what's "your" problem :o)<BR/><BR/>I am working on a "better fake" than Steorn's here :D<BR/><BR/>BWhahahahhaaa!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-51602014270983533762007-07-18T15:03:00.000-07:002007-07-18T15:03:00.000-07:00I agree with the earlier comment about the hidden ...I agree with the earlier comment about the hidden power source. One doesn't suddenly go from a questionable magnetic effect with the jury still empanelled to a "perpetual motion" machine in this manner. It is a fraud, and the statement that it ran for 3 hours "upstairs" at Kinetica is false. Whether the magnets in the device degrade over time or not, it would represent the first time in history that a wheel continuously spun without external energy. Does anyone really believe that the plexiglas contraption that Steorn's CEO held in his hand represented that moment in history? The demo was most likely rigged inside the opaque center on in the extra long magnet along the perimeter of the device and the CEO either couldn't get it to work or got cold feet, as the previous commentor stated. His explanation is not credible. They brought 3 machines and this one failed so, instead of substituting one of the other machines, they cannibalized them for bearings. No video was taken upstairs at Kinetica as the machine turned for 3 hours nor during the 10 days it or a similar device turned at Steorn's lab. The fact is that Steorn's CEO could have continued to capitalize upon this mysterious magnetic effect for another couple of years and drawn a hefty salary and benefits during that time. What made him take this fateful step and overplay his hand at Kinetica is unknown - perhaps internal pressure from the shareholders to prove what he had been telling them or others on the inside pushing him to up the ante on the claims to gain more attention and potential investment. Whatever the reason, it was a desperate move from a very desperate man. For those who are still convinced that this was an unfortunate demo that experienced technical difficulties and believe that the wheel turned at Kinetica for 3 hours upstairs, they would do better to shift their allegiance to the Perendev motor - it does run continuously, albeit with hidden batteries or other external energy. At least Perendev knows better than to schedule a live performance while soaking his investors.<BR/><BR/>Frank G. Pearce<BR/>Richardson, TexasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-27948503584097691522007-07-18T10:08:00.000-07:002007-07-18T10:08:00.000-07:00Search = Steorn:faqhttp://www.steorn.com/forum/sea...Search = Steorn:faq<BR/>http://www.steorn.com/forum/search.php?PostBackAction=Search&Keywords=Steorn%3A+faq&Type=Topics&btnSubmit=Search<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=17592&Focus=250591#Item_14<BR/><BR/> * Steorn<BR/> * CommentTimeSep 27th 2006<BR/><BR/> permalinkquote<BR/>The technical section will be dealt with last (tomorrow)<BR/><BR/>Sean <BR/><BR/>----<BR/><BR/>Still waiting.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-90940463444722137102007-07-18T10:04:00.000-07:002007-07-18T10:04:00.000-07:00What I'd still like to know:Sean's "explanations" ...What I'd still like to know:<BR/><BR/>Sean's "explanations" for why Dr. Mike didn't have private time with some "overunity" device and a screwdriver as promised -- actually two days were promised.<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>Why Dr. Mike was not given a chance to see and handle one of the devices that failed when the demo was being prepared.<BR/><BR/>Obviously only Sean can answer those questions-- don't hold your breath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2087544938250245173.post-80382232039810480002007-07-18T08:59:00.000-07:002007-07-18T08:59:00.000-07:00Ahhh, Genesis, the first lie on the forum;http://w...Ahhh, Genesis, the first lie on the forum;<BR/><BR/>http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=661&Focus=4561#Item_8<BR/><BR/>(aside from the initial claim that is)<BR/><BR/>The rest of the thread is enlightening too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com