First 8 Minutes Transcribed...

It's a lot of work to transcribe interviews! It took about an hour to get the first eight minutes of the interview down on paper. You can read them here. I'll be working on getting the whole interview transcribed over the next few days. Below are some of the interesting parts of the first eight minutes.

Sean in response to whether he thinks that engaging the forums is a waste of time:

Sean: ... I don't see it at all as a waste of time, we’ve been asked by Trinity to do a similar kind of thing, ultimately its part of a process of erosion that people have now distilled the view, that I can understand, we're either for real, that people will say that it is such a small probability its not worth considering, or some kind of fraud. General opinion has actually consolidated into a very black and white vision. At the end of that, the black and whiteness of it will be resolved one way or another. Either we will be proven to be fraud, which we're not, or we will be proven to be right which we are, and then we can actually get on with the business of business.

Sean also clarifies some of the details leading up to the UCD debate, and clarifies comments he made about being lied to:

... eventually we got to speaking to the person who is responsible for issuing approval for filming in the university and he’d never heard of it, and that is specifically what I’m referring to ...

The Trinity visit should be interesting. I think we're going to have plenty of entertainment between now and July.

Hot Topics For Today: Financials and Banning

Steorn was active today in the thread Sean can u clarify the financials? over in Steorn's forum. Steorn starts off by repeating their position:

There has been no new investment since August, I said this yesterday and for the past six months. Its that simple.

nleseul asks:

So is that new CRO document just reporting various transactions that happened during the first part of 2006, as crank is suggesting?

And Steorn replies:

Yep, this whole thing is what happens when you have a cynic trying to check accounts with no knowledge at all of what he is talking about - lol, its in a long list of errors that he has made on the subject, including accusing me of selling 750k's worth of shares.

There still seems to be some technical details regarding the dates of these transactions that are unclear based on what I've read here and in the forum. I haven't had a chance to review the CRO documents myself, so I'll wait to comment until I get a chance to read through them.

Also in the same thread Sean discusses the bannings of Ping and Big Oil Rep:

Well you cant really call pings banning a banning since he had set up a load of accounts, so its a bit of fun to be honest. Father Luke is a different matter.
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FLD/The Pope/BoR had crossed the line one too many times. ping has many accounts set up (they all have the same avatar), so thats just playing around.
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Lol, I could ban all of pings accounts in a few mins, but I have not seen anything recently that he has done that is ban worthy (you can always of course ask the question if one person should have multiple accounts). As for BoR he has posting information about Steorn that is factually incorrect, he could phrase this kind of stuff as a question, but the point he posted info that is stated as a fact and is just untrue and I strongly suspect that he knew it was untrue.

I apologize again for not getting a chance to transcribe the interview today. I listened to the interview while driving, and I especially want to pull out some of Sean's comments regarding Magnetic Viscosity and Sv.

One final note, if you didn't get a chance to view the UCD debate, I noticed that Dispatches from the Future has links to working versions of the videos on YouTube. Check it out while they last!

Debate on YouTube: Real OR BOllocks?

Second Update: The folks over at Dispatches From the Future have links to working videos on YouTube.

Update: Unfortunately the videos have been removed from YouTube due to copyright issues, see michael's posted below.

Singularity over in the Steorn Forums points us to YouTube, where michaeldoyle has posted what seems to be most of the university debate mentioned earlier. The video quality is unfortunately rough, so slides are next to impossible to make out, and the audio isn't great either.

Some of the highlights include Sean mentioning 4 PhD's that work for Steorn, the "take Conservation of Energy on Faith" comment by the rebutters, and also Sean reminds everyone that threats of physical violence were made by scientists towards Steorn.

If you can't make it through all five videos, make sure to watch the last one, which is a short Q&A session with Sean.

Steorn Part 1


Steorn Part 2


Steorn Part 3


Steorn Part 4


Steorn Part 5

Another Account

Another attendee from yesterday's debate appeared today in the forums with their opinion on the debate. This would be much easier if we just got the video!

gillo_100: First Sean got up a gave his presentation which have to say wasn't great a did beat around the bush a bit but here is what I picked up from it. (appologies for any mistakes in my theory and by all means correct me, I don't claim to be an expert this is just what I picked up) There is a phenomenon known as magnetic viscosity into which little study has been carried out, the study that has been carried out has mainly been to try an overcome it as it is a problem in electric motors generators and other such devices. Anyway a couple of years ago steorn discovered by accident that by utilising this magnetic viscosity they could achieve net energy output from a process. This can happen due to the fact that the BH curve(don't really understand this but it can be googled) changes shape with time. It is not really breaking the CoE just modifing it slightly to include a "time invariance".

We've all seen the terms "magnetic viscosity" and "BH curve" thrown around in the forums. It would be great if Dr. Mike or some other expert could write up in laymen's terms what these mean, and how they may or may not apply to over unity. I'm willing to host the writeup here if necessary.

gillo_100 goes on about the first rebuttal:

He based his whole argument aroud the solidity of CoE and concluded by stating that if the CoE is true that Steorn's proposal must be wrong. And that he for one would not allow even a shred of doubt regarding CoE. This attitude from a supposed academic is disgraceful. How can anyone with 100% confidence state that a particular law always applies completely? Answer: they can't.

He also had a few comments about the Question and Answer session at the end of the debate:

As I remember only one question was aimed at the lecturers, asking did either have any previous experience of magnetic viscosity, the point Sean was strongly pushing at this stage, neither had.

And finally:

But what I have learned most from all of this is that they are many who claim to be intelligent but are in fact unbelievably ignorant just because something goes against the grain, this is somthing I really did not expect in an academic environment in modern times.

Thanks gillo_100 for the info and your analysis! Hopefully soon someone will track down the video and share it with the rest of us.

The Great Debate

We had some interesting Steorn activity today. Sean McCarthy, CEO of Steorn, went to University College Dublin to debate with Jerry O'Dwyer and Dr. David Timoney on Steorn's position on the Conservation of Energy. Here's a link to the event description. crank's daughter was able to film Sean's part of the debate but was asked to turn off the camera at that point. Also another student in the classroom filmed the whole event, but at this point we don't know if we'll ever see either of these tapes.

Here are some of the more interesting parts from the Long Weekend thread:

crank: It was one of the saddest things I ever saw. I expected that Sean would be slaughtered by the two academics, instead it was just a song and dance routine for the amusement of the students.

Steorn: to be clear we presented an overview of why certain magnetic transactions violate CoE. There was no rebuttal at all on the point, the "leading magnetics expert" who was part of the rebuttal did not know anything at all about magnetic viscosity (in fact he stated that it was to do with Eddy Currents). Other than insults the actual rebuttal consisted of asking engineering students to accept CoE on faith.

drmike: Real science requires real data. And it has to be repeatable by anyone. So far, there's no data. From the scientific perspective, there's no science either.

An engineering student who attended the debate logged in as "." and provided us with some details about the debate:

... Frankly the talk didn't convince me of the truth of pm and orbo,but maybe that wasn't the purpose. ...

... Firstly the major major failing was the lack of a demonstration,or even photos or videos ...

... Secondly, Sean argued that journals would not accept any white papers from Steorn. Yet he didn't provide a satisfactory explanation as to why he wouldn't publish these same documents on this website, claiming something like he didn't want people stealing the idea. But if it had gone ahead published in a journal? Contradiction there I'm afraid. ...

... Thirdly, most of his answers in the q&a at the end were evasive and inconclusive. In fairness he was under pressure as almost all questions were directed at him, perhaps in future some of the steorn guys muttering angrily down the back could have gone up with Sean and helped him out? ....

... In summary, the talk was not very constructive, although quite entertaining for students present. Steorns stance was of vague magnetic forces with dubiously simple analogies, while the UCD professors disclaimed him, with sarcasm yes, but they were consistant.

I'm surprised Steorn even attempted to submit whitepapers to journals about their technology. I'm sure we'd all love to see those documents! One interesting part of the debate included details of Jerry O'Dwyer visiting Steorn in their early days of the discovery:

Steorn: As for Mr. Dywers visit, he came in at the anomoly phase, long before any 'machine' so there was no machine to not work. The guys recolection was that we were a 'jigs and fixtures' company so maybe he just cant remember stuff at all. Dot, any 'scientist' who tells you to take CoE on faith is a joker. They had no rebuttal to the actual technical points in my presentation, they just do not know the subject matter.

Steorn: Btw we were explicitly denied a request to film the event for 'insurance' reasons - I hope the video shot by one of the students gets out, lets see.

Steorn: @ RB, as you know we are preparing a product for validation, it is not yet completed so there is no product at this stage. However do not confuse this with the fact that prototypes exisit, but prototypes fail more often than products and we are always developing around them, that is why they exist.

Also today, Sean announced that they'll be accepting new members into the SPDC shortly:

We continue to get a lot of people asking if they can join the SPDC. We will be inviting a second group of trial users into the SPDC the not too distant future. Note that a mutual NDA is required. If you are interested in joining please e-mail Seamus (dot) Flanagan (at) steorn.com

He used the SPDC signup mulitple times against skeptics in the discussion:

Steorn to Big Oil Rep: "If you want to see a machine come along in July, if you want the opinion of experts wait for the Jury, if you want to get hands on, join the SPDC. If you want to talk rubbish, then keep going. You have all the options."

Steorn to RunningBare: "you want to know more, join the SPDC."

Definitely an interesting day today.