Saturday, June 30, 2007

Dr. Mike's Bags are Packed

Dr. Mike's bags are packed!

aveeguy: drmike, quit teasing us! Are your bags packed?

drmike: YES! My wife never let's me do anything "just in time". :bigsmile:
I also found this post enlightening from Dr. Mike. He's given us a layman's explanation of Magnetic Viscosity:
OK, let's drop down to the atomic level. The atoms are in a lattice, and several atoms form a magnetic unit, like Fe_3O_4. 1000's of units make a domain. Millions of domains make a magnet. (a very small one!)

So let's take all the units to saturation so all the domains align. Now, let the external field go away.Most of the domains stay aligned, but some don't because they are not oriented along their "easy" axis, and the magnet slips back to Br. The time it takes for all the domians to flip depends on the temperature of the magnet and the "anisotropy energy". If you kill the external field instantly (impossible in reality, but let's just pretend) then the instantaneous Br will be higher than at some time 5 to 10 decay constants later.

That is magnetic viscosity.
He goes on to say:
Where does the energy go? It goes into the atomic lattice - the atoms oscillate a touch slower in the domains that don't align. They have to give up some thermal energy to go to a higher energy state of mis-alignment with their neighbors. It doesn't take long for them all to come back to equilibrium with the rest of the magnet though - the speed of sound in the material helps with that.

This seems counter intuitive to me - you'd think the misalinged domains would heat up - but that doesn't conserve energy. The fully aligned saturated system is at the lowest possible entropy state. From basic thermodynamics

T*dS = dE + dW

I guess I'll give Steorn an out here. If they can maintain T and increase dS, then dE has to increase and they can do work with it. I'll have to think about that a lot more!


maryyugo said...

Here's something interesting enough to view-- Lee Felsenstein is a reputable scientist however his interview is low key and understated. I suspect his hopes are unfounded but he seems like a reasonable guy:

Maybe the company this video references is barking up the same tree as Steorn-- right or wrong... most likely ... well... you know which I think it is.

Mark Goldes' company has been discussed in this forum before.

Oh well, we should know a lot more soon!

bert said...

I wrapped up most of the recent hype regarding the demonstration in this article Steorn Demo: our own iPhone moment.

Anonymous said...

Better unpack Mike, the demo has officially been put off till Q1, 2008


Kevin said...

What do you mean that the demonstration has been "officially put off", I never saw that anywhere.

If the demonstration has been put off then that's it for Steorn! Actually I had expected them to drag it out through the whole month, I didn't expect it to be over already.

Anonymous said...

Just phoned Kinetica! OMFG!

Kinetica: "Hello Kinetica"

Me: Hi, can I buy advance tickets for the Steorn show please?

Kinetica: That show is free admission Sir.

Me: What time does it open because I am anticipating a massive crowd, after all it's not everyday free energy technology is unveiled to the world!

Kinetica: I'll check, hold please.

Me: ok

Kinetica: Are you there sir?

Me: yes

Kinetica: I have the itinerary here. (I hear pages shuffling) The show begins on the 7th. (pause) Doors will open at 6am with a champagne breakfast for SPDC members if that makes any sense. Public access is granted at 8am.

Me: Superb, and have you seen the display yet?

Kinetica: well, yes, we were asked to familiarize ourselves with the display. It is quite fascinating but I am unable to discuss it further. I can assure you it will not be disappointing.

Me: Fantastic! Well, thank you for your time love.

Kinetica: Ok, bye now.



Anonymous said...

Me: "Hello, is that the owner of Big Ben?

Big Ben Caretaker: "Yes, how can I help you sir?"

Me: "I understand Steorn are preparing a demo here live on the clockface at midnight on the 30th"

Big Ben Caretaker: "That's right"

Me: "WOW!"

pennies_everywhere said...

Poor Lee, he is a good man who has been taken in by complete charlatans. This sort of thing happens from time to time where crooks con otherwise intelligent and well meaning people. I've seen it happen to engineers, attorneys, doctors, executives and politicians alike. Goldes is completely shameless in his efforts at promoting his scam and doesn't seem to care whose reputation he damages in the process.

Graham Gunderson the "brains" behind the last two wunder gizmos from MPI and longtime Bearden MEG proponent follows the "Baffle them with bullshit" school of confidence scams.

Anonymous said...

Steorn promised to publish information about their licencing policy during the first half of 2007. Have anyone seen the information anywhere ?

"Our Licensing Model
Our free energy technology will be made widely available to the development community immediately after the independent scientific validation process.

Under the terms of a modified general public licence and for a nominal fee, Steorn's intellectual property will be made available concurrently to all interested parties, from individual enthusiasts to larger research organisations. Steorn is taking this bold move to accelerate the deployment and acceptance of its technology for both humanitarian and commercial products.

Further details will be made available during the first half of 2007."

Bob said...

"Baffle them with bullshit" school of confidence scams.

I'd hesitate to call them scams, because the perpetrators may genuinely believe they have something. I have met people who are totally convinced by their own logic, even if it is obviously wrong. They create a story to convince themselves, which, is sometimes enough to convince other people.

Students of "alternative reality" might check out, well intentioned people, but utterly unable to appreciate the lack of logic in what they do.

on the license model

As far as I know the only license scheme they can legally enforce would be governed by patent law. In so far as they have an applicable patent, they can license it to who they wish, so this "modified GPL" is otherwise meaningless.

Kevin said...

YES you're right, I just noticed that myself. What are we to conclude from the slip: that they are so busy preparing for the demo that they forgot about the deadline; or that they are so embroiled in some gigantic internal conflict (perhaps by a certain phoney free-energy claim) that their office is melting down and the date came and went unnoticed. Don't get me wrong, I'd love the claim to be true, but in any case this should be a very interesting spectacle to watch now.

Though if it were a fraud I would have expected at least one person from the jury to come out by now. IF there really is a jury in existence, that is.

Incidentally, how does one join the developer's forum anyway, is it by invitation or by request or what?

maryyugo said...


"IF there really is a jury in existence, that is."

Exactly. That is an entirely open question at this point, isn't it? I mean, what evidence is there that a jury exists other than that Steorn says so?


Yeah-- Goldes is unscrupulous. At least, there's some hope that Lee Felsenstein will plow through the crappola and expose the scam.

SteornTracker said...


Here is the only evidence I know of that suggests that there is a jury:

SciGuy Reports and More Bannings

BREAKING NEWS: Potential Juror Discovered

maryyugo said...



Anonymous said...

When will the jury see the orbo ?
To me it seems they will not be allowed to get their hands on the device at all :

"5.1 Steorn shall make available all reasonable assistance, information and appropriate personnel to liaise with the Juror as the Juror may reasonably require."

For 2000euro for one phase I would only be willing to work maximum 10 days on each phase. My guess is that the jury has finished their work a long time ago.

"Juror Agreement Summary
Following the issue of the Steorn Challenge in the Economist on the 18th August 2006, where Steorn invited members of the scientific/engineering community to carry out certain tests on its proprietary technology, Steorn sets out herein the scope and terms and conditions of the Juror's engagement for the purposes ofthe Steorn Challenge (the “Process”).

1.1 For the purposes of this Agreement the following shall apply:-

Term Meaning
The Juror: Dr. [ ]
Department of [ ]
University of [ ]
[ ]
Tel: [ ]
Fax: [ ]
E-mail: [ ]

The Jury: The panel of 12 members of the scientific / engineering community (including the Juror) selected by Steorn in connection with the Steorn Challenge and the Process.
Fee €2,000 per phase capped at €6,000 in total + expenses
Payment terms Within 30 days of supply of the Deliverables
End Date 90 days from the start date unless otherwise extended to cover Part 2 of the Process

2.1 Subject to the terms of this Agreement Steorn engages the Juror to carry out the Services and provide the Deliverables in consideration for the Fee.

3.1 This Agreement shall be deemed to have come into effect on the Start Date and shall terminate on the End Date. This Agreement may be extended on the same terms and conditions by written mutual agreement or may be terminated by either party on failure by the other party to remedy a material breach after being given 30 days notice to do so either party ceasing to trade or becoming insolvent.

4.1 The Juror shall invoice Steorn for the Fee (together with any VAT due), in accordance with the Payment Terms. Payment shall be due in full within 30 days of the date of invoice. In the event that payment has not been received by the due date, the Juror may at its option suspend provision of the Services until payment is made in full.

Steorn shall additionally reimburse the Juror for all reasonable travelling and other out of pocket expenses properly incurred by the Juror in the performance of the Services to Steorn. In the Case of Part 1 this will be capped at €200 and [TBA] in the case of the Services in Part 2.

5.1 Steorn shall make available all reasonable assistance, information and appropriate personnel to liaise with the Juror as the Juror may reasonably require.

5.2 Steorn shall advise the Juror of the individuals to whom Juror will report for the purposes of delivering the Services. Steorn and the Juror shall develop appropriate administrative procedures to apply to such individuals.

5.3 Anything herein to the contrary notwithstanding, the parties hereby acknowledge and agree that Steorn shall have no right to control the manner, means, or method by which the Juror performs the Services called for by this Agreement. Rather, Steorn shall be entitled only to direct the Juror with respect to the elements of Services to be performed by the Juror and assess the performance of such Services by the Juror for the limited purposes of assuring that such Services have been performed.

5.4 Upon termination of this Agreement for any reason, the Juror shall promptly return to Steorn all copies of any Steorn data, records, or materials of whatever nature or kind, including all materials incorporating Confidential Information as defined below. The Juror shall also furnish to the Company all work in progress or portions thereof, including all incomplete work.

5.5 If the Juror terminates this Agreement because of the breach of Steorn, the Juror shall be entitled to a pro rata payment for work in progress based on the percentage of work then completed. No such pro rata payment shall be made if Steorn terminates this Agreement because of the breach of the Juror.

5.6 As the Juror is not Steorn's employee, Steorn shall not take any action or provide the Juror with any benefits or commitments inconsistent with any of such undertakings by the Juror nor provide the Juror with any benefits other than the fees and reimbursement of out-of-pocket expenses provided under this Agreement. It is the Juror's sole obligation to report as income all compensation received from Steorn pursuant to this Agreement.

5.7 The Juror acknowledges that Steorn reserves the right to publish any of the reports produced by the Jury in respect of Part 2 of the Process.

6.1 All right, title and interest, including, but not limited to, all copyrights, in and to all materials prepared by the Juror pursuant to the terms of this Agreement or otherwise for Steorn (“Work”) shall be the exclusive property of Steorn. All Work shall, to the extent possible, be considered works made by the Juror for hire for the benefit of Steorn. The Juror shall mark all Work with Steorn's copyright or other proprietary notices as directed by Steorn and shall take all actions deemed necessary by Steorn to perfect Steorn's rights therein. In the event that the Work can not constitute work made by the Juror for hire for the benefit of Steorn under applicable law, or in the event that the Juror should otherwise retain any rights to any Work, the Juror agrees to assign, and upon creation thereof automatically assigns, all rights, titles, and interests in and to such Work, including, but not limited to, copyrights pertaining thereto to Steorn, without further consideration. The Juror agrees to execute any documents of assignment or registration of copyright requested by Steorn respecting any and all Work.

6.2 The Juror will promptly disclose, assign and transfer to Steorn all of its right, title and interest, including, but not limited to, all copyrights or other intellectual property rights, to all inventions and discoveries and copyrightable subject matter, whether or not patentable or copyrightable, made, conceived or developed by the Juror which, (i) result from or relate to the Services, (ii) have been developed at the expense of Steorn or during hours of the Juror performing Services for Steorn; or (iii) result from the use of Steorn's equipment, facilities or materials. The Juror agrees to execute any documents of assignment or registration of such intellectual property rights requested by Steorn respecting any and all such inventions, discoveries and copyrightable subject matter.

All rights, titles and interests in and to any programs, systems, data, and materials furnished to the Juror by Steorn are and shall remain the property of Steorn.

Nothing in this Agreement shall constitute a license or any other rights in favour of the Juror with respect to the Confidential Information or any other proprietary information or rights of Steorn.

The Juror acknowledges that in order to perform the Services, it shall be necessary for Steorn to disclose to the Juror certain Confidential Information. The Juror further acknowledges that the Work will of necessity incorporate such Confidential Information. The Juror agrees that it shall not disclose, transfer, use, copy, or allow access to any such Confidential Information to any of its employees or to any third parties, except for those who have a need to know such Confidential Information in order to accomplish the requirements of this Agreement and who are bound by contractual obligations of confidentiality and limitation of use sufficient to give effect to this Section 7. In no event shall the Juror disclose any such Confidential Information to any competitors of Steorn.

The Juror acknowledges that all Confidential Information is and shall remain the property of Steorn, or any third party whose confidential information Steorn is under a legal obligation to protect, as applicable. All documents, records, and tangible things that embody or contain Steorn's Confidential Information are the Steorn's exclusive property. The Juror has access to them solely for performing the duties under this Agreement. The Juror shall protect the confidentiality of the information and shall return all Confidential Information and all copies, facsimiles and specimens thereof and any other tangible forms of Steorn's Confidential Information in the Juror's possession, custody or control to the Steorn as may be requested by Steorn at any time.

As used herein, the term "Confidential Information" shall mean that private, secret, or confidential information of Steorn, whether or not in writing, of whatever kind or nature disclosed to the Juror or known by the Juror, (whether or not invented, discovered or developed by the Juror) as a consequence of or through the performance of the duties under this Agreement, regardless of the form or media on which such information is disclosed or stored, some or all of which property may be protected by statute, common law, or contract, and including all information of any third party whose confidential information Steorn is under a legal obligation to protect. Such Confidential Information shall include information relating to the design, manufacture, application, know-how, research and development relating to Steorn's products and services, sources of supply and material, operating and other cost data, lists of present, past or prospective customers, customer proposals, price lists and data relating to pricing of the Steorn's products or services, any of which information is not generally known in the industry, and shall specifically include all information contained in manuals, memoranda, formulae, plans, drawings and designs, specifications, supply sources, and records of Steorn including without limitation that which is marked or otherwise identified by Steorn (or third party whose confidential information Steorn is under a legal obligation to protect) as Confidential Information. Confidential Information shall not include any information that (i) is generally known to the public, (ii) is independently developed by the Juror without access or reference to other Confidential Information, (iii) was lawfully obtained from a third party without any obligation of confidentiality, (iv) was known to the Juror prior to Steorn's engagement of the Juror pursuant to this Agreement, as can be shown by contemporaneous documentation, or (v) was later published or generally disclosed by Steorn.

The obligations set forth in this Section 7 as they pertain to Confidential Information shall survive termination of this Agreement and continue for so long as the relevant information remains Confidential Information.

For a period of three years from the date of termination of this Agreement, the Juror shall not disclose the nature of the effort undertaken for Steorn or the terms of this Agreement to any other person or entity, except as may be necessary to fulfil the Juror's obligations hereunder, save with the prior written consent of Steorn.

The Juror shall not at any time use Steorn's name or any Steorn trademark(s) or trade name(s) in any advertising or publicity without the prior written consent of Steorn.

During the period of this agreement and for a period of twelve months from the date of termination of this Agreement, the Juror will not, either on its own behalf or on behalf of any other person or entity (i) call upon, solicit, advise or otherwise do, or attempt to do business with suppliers and customers of Steorn contacted by the Juror on Steorn's behalf; or (ii) solicit, induce or encourage any director, officer, employee, agent, independent contractor or representative who is or who during any time within six (6) months prior to the termination of this Agreement was in the employ of Steorn to leave the employ of Steorn or violate their contracts with Steorn.

8.1 No representation or warranty, express or implied, regarding the Services or the Deliverables is given and all such representations and warranties are excluded to the maximum extent permitted by law.

8.2 Nothing in this Agreement excludes or restricts liability for any fraudulent misrepresentation or death or personal injury caused by negligence.

8.3 Subject to Clause 8.2, in no circumstances will either party be liable to the other, nor shall Steorn, its employees or agents be liable to any party, for any loss of profits, revenue, goodwill, business opportunity or any indirect, consequential, financial or economic loss or damage, costs or expenses whether in contract, tort, negligence, breach of statutory duty or otherwise whatsoever or howsoever arising out of or in connection with this Agreement.

9.1 The parties are and shall be independent contractors to one another, and nothing herein shall be deemed to cause this Agreement to create an agency, partnership, or joint venture between the parties. Nothing in this Agreement shall be interpreted or construed as creating or establishing the relationship of employer and employee between Steorn and either the Juror or any employee or agent of the Juror.

9.2 The Agreement is enforceable only by the Juror and Steorn and Steorn's permitted successors and assigns.

9.3 This Agreement constitutes the entire agreement and undertaking of the parties hereto with respect to the subject matter hereof and supersedes all prior agreements and undertakings, both written and oral.

9.4 In the event that any court having jurisdiction shall determine that any covenant or other provision contained in this Agreement shall be unreasonable or unenforceable in any respect, then such covenant or other provision shall be deemed limited to the extent that such court deems it reasonable and enforceable, and as so limited shall remain in full force and effect. In the event that such court shall deem any covenant or provision wholly unenforceable, the remaining covenants and provisions of this Agreement shall nevertheless remain in full force and effect.

9.5 Steorn shall have the right to assign this Agreement to its successors and assigns, and all covenants and agreements hereunder shall inure to the benefit of and be enforceable by said successors or assigns. The Juror shall not assign, transfer, or subcontract this Agreement or any of its obligations hereunder without the prior written consent of Steorn; provided, however, that the Juror may assign its right to receive payments hereunder to such third parties as the Juror may designate by written notice to the Company.

This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of Ireland and the parties hereby irrevocably submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the Irish Courts. Any waiver or variation of the rights and obligations under this Agreement shall be in writing and signed by Steorn and the Juror only.

This Agreement may be executed in one or more counterparts, and by the different parties hereto in separate counterparts, each of which when executed shall be deemed to be an original, but all of which taken together shall constitute one and the same agreement.

The Juror acknowledges that the Juror has been afforded sufficient time to understand the terms and effects of this Agreement, and that the agreements and obligations herein are made voluntarily, knowingly and without duress, and that neither Steorn nor its agents or representatives have made any representations inconsistent with the provisions of this Agreement."

Anonymous said...

Lifting weights doesnt sound like a new continous rotating device. It sounds just like the old kinetica-video-device.

"Sceptics can view the device lifting a weight from four different camera angles online.

Mr McCarthy said the company had decided against using the technology to illuminate a light-bulb as the use of wires would attract further suspicion from a scientific community that has already dismissed the device. "

Anonymous said...

This looks bad for Dr.Mike. No working demo device....Just like every PM demo that has taken place in this world. Why didnt they have a spare unit ? Dr.Mike was supposed to use a hammer on the orbo, so they should at least have
a couple of extra devices...

Is BabCat OK ?

"SeamusF 8 hours
Hi Folks,

I was just chatting to Sean a couple of minutes ago and he asked me to pass on the following :

A test unit which was built yesterday in Kinetica, in the temporary lab we have set up. Once we had signed off on the final magnetic configurations we went to transfer this magnetic config to the display unit & casing on the exhibition floor.

Here they ran into some technical issues, firstly a problem with the bearings, which was fixed once identified. The next issue appears to be an environmental issue. We think possibly the temperature from the lighting system in the immediate area, but this has to be further assessed in the morning.

The current plan of action is to have a technical meeting in the morning and we will update you from there - we are planning to turn on the web streaming by lunch time so we can give you an ongoing update on progress (and you can see some stressed Engineers working in real-time, if it is not fixed by then!)

The demo will go ahead as soon as we fix the small outstanding issues.

Please accept our apologies on this and we will update you first thing in the morning.

Kind regards,

SeamusF "

Anonymous said...

Babcat :
babcat 2 days ago

Of course Steorn has a self-sustaining device or there would not be a demo happening this month! "

Anonymous said...

"babcat 3 days ago
I am 100% certain there will be a demonstration. "

A demonstration of what ?

Anonymous said...

Steorn News :

"Steorn demonstrates free energy technology in public forum

Demonstration at Kinetica Museum, London, UK is world's first outing for Steorn's Orbo technology and will be streamed live around the world

London, 4th July 2007. Steorn, an Irish technology development company, will publicly demonstrate a real-life application of its Orbo free energy technology for the first time. The demonstration will take place in the Kinetica Museum gallery, London UK on Wednesday 4th July. People around the world will be able to watch the exhibit via a live web stream.

The real-time streaming of the Orbo free energy technology demonstration can be accessed via from 6pm Eastern Time (ET) today. People logging onto the link can select different camera angles so they can see the exhibit from various positions. The Kinetica Museum exhibit will thereafter be open to members of the public from Thursday July 5th until Friday July 13th.

Steorn's Orbo technology is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and allows the production of clean, free and constant energy. The exhibit on display will demonstrate work being done by the spinning of a clear polycarbonate wheel with no recourse to external energy. Orbo technology is fully scalable and can be applied to virtually all devices requiring energy, from cellular phones to cars.

On 18th August 2006, Steorn placed an advertisement in The Economist to attract the attention of the world's leading scientists working in the field of experimental physics. The advertisement issued a challenge to the world's scientific community to step forward and prove its claims wrong.

Several thousand scientists stepped forward to take the challenge, but only 22 were appointed to test Steorn's claims. The review process began in January 2007 and is still ongoing. Steorn will publish the results of the process following its completion.

Sean McCarthy, CEO of Steorn, commented: "We've decided to demonstrate our Orbo technology in a global and public forum to raise greater awareness amongst the product development community. We want to give equal access to developers so they can use this technology to power products that will bring benefits to everyone. Ultimately, it's also a reminder to the world that this free energy technology is being validated and will definitely happen.

"We expect the vast majority of our audience to view the exhibit online, but rather than just stream a demonstration of the technology from an undisclosed location, we purposely decided to have a tangible working device that people could come and physically see for themselves."

The exhibition at the Kinetica Museum, in Spitalfields Market, East London, will be open for a private view only today but will be open to the public from every day from 11am to 7pm, Thursday 5th July until Friday 13th July inclusive, when the exhibition will close. Admission is free and the museum is based at SP2 Pavilion, Spitalfields Market, London E1 6AA.


Notes to the editor:

Steorn was founded in 2000 and has developed cutting edge technologies for third parties, including optical disc forensic analysis and plastic card fraud prevention technologies. It is now focused on the commercialisation of its Orbo free energy technology.

Update 4/7/07 23:30

Due to slight technical difficulties we will now be publishing the live stream as of Thursday 5th July."

Anonymous said...

Dr.Mike was supposed to see the device 2 days before the demonstration. I guess the failed demo means that Steorn has not showed him an Orbo. And why should they show Dr.Mike an Orbo when the jury members have not seen one ?

Are you and your family safe and healthy, Dr.Mike ?

Anonymous said...

Why would anyone have a demonstration at an art museum ?

Steorn is just a Finsrud copy.