Wednesday, July 25, 2007

Upstairs at Kinetica, A Spinning Orbo

An anonymous source has posted youtube videos of demo visitors working on the failed orbo demo device. In the videos we get a better view of what the demo looked like. The third video includes a spinning orbo, although it seems the magnets actually slow the thing down.

Also in the videos, you see a lot of camera flashes, so there should be more photos out there of the entire event. If anyone out there has additional video or photos, feel free to email me at wgorman AT gmail DOT com. Check out the ENERGY IS NOT YET FREE blog for the inside scoop.






38 comments:

Anonymous said...

….can anyone say “Alien Autopsy”? now that was a GREAT CON....

Shaky camera…dark….blurry image….no sound….OH HELL YEAH! They have the Orbo….DUMP YOUR OIL STOCK….THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!

,,,,NOT!!!!!!!

Vardan1899 said...

HAHAHAHAA!

My Birthday is still 4 days away, but what a nice early gift!!!

I called the lab and had them cap the FLVs and do a image pull during one of the camera flashes in the third video that seemed to show the "device" well:

The Motor

I guess the guy is measuring it to be sure it did not shrink :o)

Of course, that is the motor and power supply, About 6 to 10 times the volume need for an electromagnetic drive and batteries need to spin the plastic disk for 7 days. Testing here puts the total energy needed for the demo at 10kJ.

The magnets on the outside can be real and the drive is probably the guts pulled out of a 5VDC muffin fan. That would supply a nice rotating magnetic field.

A very poor fake. Mine will be MUCH better >:D

I have worked with engineering prototypes for the last 20 years. Even “Alien Autopsy” was far more realistic :O)

Thanks for the videos! I suspect Steorn is now trying to kill off the skeptics with humor!!

I can hardly wait to see what these inept fools will do next! :D

They now "do" have the excuse that they are far too dumb to try and "fake" free energy...

Vardan1899

Skidoo said...

Looks like the hands-on lab at a children's museum. lol

And I'm no expert, but wasn't that just a glorified Minato wheel they were playing with?

Anonymous said...

That reminds me of the silly
Billy Meyer video.

Anonymous said...

@anonymous first comment

This isn't Orbo propaganda-- quite the opposite. Shaky camera, blurry image is probably because the video provider didn't want to take pictures in the open or be identified. Read the blog itself.

@vardan1899

Happy Birthday. Please be sure to look at the blog as well as the Youtube videos-- there's more information there and a pretty good capture image. You wouldn't have had to bother with yours.

If you read the blog, it seems that the people working with the toys on the table are not Steorn stooges. They're people who were invited to the after-session. Most are probably SPDC members, physicists, engineers and skeptics as well as believers. Steorn is not providing these videos-- I am sure they would rather these never see the light of day.

Tim said...

Why is it that everyone in those videos was speaking with an American accent? Aren't the Steorn principals all supposed to be Irish and English?

Or was Sean simply letting the True Believers play with the nonfunctional Orbo parts after the demo was canceled?

Anonymous said...

ROFLMAO!!!

what a bunch of fools, or should i better say a room full of distraction tools?

tall me you experts out there... how is this better then prendev or any other "overunity motor" ;-)

smells like a little scandal... some investors wont be amused... ;-)

Stecarey said...

I'm Irish, and work 5 minutes from their Office here in Dublin.
But even I'm to annoyed with these clowns to approach these idiots.
They are fraudsters and fakes.

They insist that this is for real , simply because their "reputation" depends on it.

Well to my knowledge, their reputation has been enhanced to the tune of €8,000,000 by investors.

So I can assure you, they will sleep nice and sound at night when this blows up in spectacular fashion.

Oh Ps ...

This is getting no coverage at all in Ireland or the UK, simply because it's so blindly fake.

Ste Carey

Anonymous said...

The SPDC members have seen a video of a real working ORBO. The technology is real!

Anonymous said...

http://tinyurl.com/ytqzza -- discussion on the Steorn Forum.

It is truly breathtaking how stupid some of these people are.

Anonymous said...

Has it come to an end? Can't get a response from Steorn's forum. Times out.

Anonymous said...

Disregard above about Steorn Forum. Working again. I know one day I'm going to click on that link and never get there.

JTerry said...

Wow, those videos confirm that the laws of theromdynamics and conservation of energy apply also to social settings as such:

1. much hot air and wind

2. lots of energy expended

3. lots of work done

4. several pieces of inanimate junk laying around doing nothing at the beginning

5. several pieces of inanimate junk laying around doing nothing at the end;

6. All work was wasted.

These guys wasted hours of their lives doing absolutely nothing. In fact, they may be in work deficit at this point. Anything, anything else would have been more productive and worthwhile; even just sitting there and watching the wall to make sure it didn't move would have been more productive.

Anonymous said...

Meh. Looks like viral marketing from Steorn to me. Get the believers nice and excited.

Anonymous said...

"Meh. Looks like viral marketing from Steorn to me. Get the believers nice and excited."

What do you mean? What does Steorn gain from believer excitement that they didn't already get from their investors?

"The SPDC members have seen a video of a real working ORBO. The technology is real!"

Absolute bollocks! Most of the people in the videos at http://energynotfree.blogspot.com/ are SPDC members. Why would they waste hours with a useless toy and listen to thousands of boring words from Sean MacCarthy if they had seen that "the technology is real". What a load of bull poop!

"Or was Sean simply letting the True Believers play with the nonfunctional Orbo parts after the demo was canceled?"

That sure seems to be what those videos show. And those parts are non-functional because there are no functional parts and never were. If there were, why not bring them to Kinetica in the remaining days (7 days left remember?) and make them work?

Anonymous said...

These people are not Steorn. They also have not signed any release forms to have their images posted on this blog.
This was not a public event. An expectation of privacy is reasonable. I would suggest that the owner of this blog remove the videos before he gets dragged into legal action ( which is the only action these people are going to be seeing anytime soon)

Anonymous said...

What do you mean? What does Steorn gain from believer excitement that they didn't already get from their investors?

Assuming Steorn leaked this video, or made an educated guess that videos of this event would be leaked (and therefore didn't restrict the use of cameras), they increase the probability of investment. "Hey Sean, I know you've stated publically that you're not accepting further investment, but let me make you an offer..."

Hence prolonging the (probable) scam.

Anonymous said...

Anon said: "These people are not Steorn. They also have not signed any release forms to have their images posted on this blog.
This was not a public event. An expectation of privacy is reasonable. I would suggest that the owner of this blog remove the videos ..."

It's understandable that folks would not want it known they were a gullible rube.

Anonymous said...

"These people are not Steorn. They also have not signed any release forms to have their images posted on this blog."

Really? Has anyone who is identifiable in the videos objected? Filed a suit? Since when is a release form needed to have photos posted in a non-commercial, no fee blog? You think a release is needed for you to get your photo in a newspaper? That's all a blog is-- an electronic newspaper. And at no charge.



"This was not a public event. An expectation of privacy is reasonable. I would suggest that the owner of this blog remove the videos before he gets dragged into legal action ...)"

Actually, there was no expectation of privacy at these meetings. True, they were invitation only but the pictures were presumably taken by an invitee. Or do you think someone broke in? Many cameras were in plain sight and obviously being used. Were there signs prohibiting pictures and video? I didn't see any in any photos I saw.

I suppose lawyers can argue anything but unless the owner of the blog is under an NDA, I doubt that Steorn can do a darn thing and maybe not even then.

And that's before you even get to jurisdiction. How do you know the country of origin of the blog owner? And what if it's not Ireland or England? One would think that Steorn has better things to do than chase a photographer through different countries. You know, like develop free energy maybe?

And even that is before you get to the issue of damages. What proprietary information was revealed? The whole point of the videos is to show that Steorn has absolutely nothing and brought absolutely nothing. Give us a break and learn some law. One can't sue because fraudulent claims have been exposed! If they could, most television documentary shows would be out of business overnight.

Actually, what Steorn should do is put up or shut up instead of dragging people into courts. They're most likely going to do neither.

Anonymous said...

Amazing. Steorn hasn't shown anything yet and already they have paparazzi.

Anonymous said...

If user Energynotfree is the owner of thees 3 videos, can he do some editing to get video lighter. Free VirtualDub is good for this editing.

Anonymous said...

If user Energynotfree is the owner of thees 3 videos, can he do some editing to get video lighter.

Anonymous said...

"Assuming Steorn leaked this video, or made an educated guess that videos of this event would be leaked (and therefore didn't restrict the use of cameras), they increase the probability of investment. "Hey Sean, I know you've stated publically that you're not accepting further investment, but let me make you an offer..."

Hence prolonging the (probable) scam."

It's interesting to see that people do not remember that - according to Sean - Steorn turned down a 900 million-dollar offer... How could Steorn accept any further investments knowing that it decided to reject such a great financial offer? Who would be so dumb to even make a try to invest in them????? What could Sean say? "We do not need 900 million dollars, but we want your savings!" I don't think such a thing could ever happen........ It just sounds ridiculous.

Fig Newton said...

This whole thing is so unprofessional, so unscientific, so murky, so patently bollocks. The only thing it has done successfully is congregate all the wackos around one central theme but I see no difference with this and many other lunatic fringe themes.

Why feed into it? Because "Sean says this or Sean says that?" Who the hell is he? He bought an expensive ad, made outrageous claims and people follow this story around like dogs chasing a skunk. It is pathetic and I really cannot believe science has fallen so far from grace to end up like this.

Snap out of it people. You think this is reality? Just the hint that any of this has anything to do with science is the height of absurdity and just shows how gullible people can be.

Anonymous said...

"I would suggest that the owner of this blog remove the videos before he gets dragged into legal action ( which is the only action these people are going to be seeing anytime soon) "

Thanks Sean, you may be a rich loser, but you're still a loser.

"What could Sean say? "We do not need 900 million dollars, but we want your savings!" I don't think such a thing could ever happen........ It just sounds ridiculous. "

As with Randi's challenge, idiots continue to take money for fraud while claiming that they are "honest" and "good-natured" by not taking easy money that could only be aquired though trusted verification.

Anonymous said...

"If user Energynotfree is the owner of thees 3 videos, can he do some editing to get video lighter. Free VirtualDub is good for this editing."

Anyone can download the videos from Youtube and try more processing themselves (true, it's lossy). To me, it looks as if the videos have already been processed pretty much to the max. Probably the lighting was bad or the camera was not very "sophisticated".

To download videos from Youtube just search google or follow this link. The FLV format can be converted to any standard video format (more google searching).

Personally, I think the audio track on the first three videos is the most interesting part. I'd like to know who the people were and exactly what the conversation was with Sean about what they were doing. But, I suppose that's asking for a lot.

Of course Sean can stop all the speculation whenever he wants to just by bringing those toys to a press conference or interview, can't he?

"It's interesting to see that people do not remember that - according to Sean - Steorn turned down a 900 million-dollar offer... "

Where has that been said? Can you document or prove it with evidence? It would be interesting if true because making those sorts of claims is more typical of frausters than it is of the self-deluded. It's the first time I've seen that in print though.

@fignewton

That's just how people are-- the best lesson to learn from the Steorn fiasco is how easy it is to make people believe you with a well told tale, even if not a shred of evidence supports it and no matter how unlikely the underlying story is!

maryyugo said...

Two new videos of Sean speaking at Kinetica during the "invitation only" sessions on Saturday (July 7) have been added to the http://energynotfree.blogspot.com/ blog.

There is also a brief mention of this blog and energynotfree's blog on the James Randi Foundation web page. He calls Orbo "that silly non-spinning wheel."

Doesn't this make believers wonder why Sean takes all the abuse while all he has to do to become credible is to demonstrate a single version of the many working models he has often talked about?

It looks as if Steorn's censors (Magnatrix and Crank maybe?) are preventing anyone from posting the above links on any Steorn forum. Anyone think "they have orders"?

Anonymous said...

>Anyone think "they have orders"?

You mean disorders, don't you?

Thicket said...

Faith:

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Believers in Steorn require nothing but their faith. No amount of proof, or disproof will ever convince them that Sean McCarthy is a liar and that his over-unity device is a fraud.

Anonymous said...

„Where has that been said? Can you document or prove it with evidence? It would be interesting if true because making those sorts of claims is more typical of frausdters than it is of the self-deluded. It's the first time I've seen that in print though.”

You can search for it on the Steorn forum. („Steorn turned down a 900 million-dollar offer... ")

My point is that Sean would not say such a thing if his goal was to gain further investments. It’s clear that a reasonable investor candidate’s first question to him would be the following: „Why would you accept my money if you could have approximately a billion dollars in your pockets without my help?”

Well, there could of course be one exception... What if someone would like to give Steorn even more than a billion bucks? Do you know anyone willing to do that at the moment? (We all know that nobody on Earth will give Steorn such a huge amount of money without having proof of over-unity.)

Anonymous said...

It’s clear that a reasonable investor candidate’s first question to him would be the following: „Why would you accept my money if you could have approximately a billion dollars in your pockets without my help?”

Get real. The so-called 900 million offer was from some loudmouth braggart. It meant nothing.

And it occurred long after steorn had the 14 million in investments and were not taking any more.

Anonymous said...

„Get real. The so-called 900 million offer was from some loudmouth braggart. It meant nothing.

And it occurred long after Steorn had the 14 million in investments and were not taking any more.”

It doesn’t really matter how serious the offer was... Steorn would not dare to mention it in public if it wanted to get more money from future investors.

By claiming that they had a fantastic financial offer that they rejected they send out the message to the world that (at the moment) they do not seek any further investments.

It really is that simple in my view, but if anybody is willing to try to „give Steorn a lesson”, then he can go for it! Almost anyone could contact these guys and make a fake – and seemingly serious - offer (although I recommend nobody to do that).

maryyugo said...

OK. I found the remark Sean made tucked away on this forum page. You can search for "900 million" (no quotes) to find it on the page or scroll down.

Here's what Sean wrote -- note the "ifs":

"lol, JREF are in a very long line of people who have dismissed our claims so that is nothing.

As [to] the $1 million it means nothing, indeed in a recent presentation we where in effect offered $900 million for passing a few tests.

The bottom line is how to convince the most people, the Jury process is this method and JREF is a circus.

So maybe the DC members will go on and take the $1 million, good luck to them."


Hell, I'd give them $900 million (if they'd extend a bit of credit) if (and it's a MIGHTY BIG IF) they could pass "a few tests".

But they can't pass any tests and have not passed any tests or shown any device. So let's review why they are probably a fraud and not a deception-- they follow the script perfectly:

1) Make an incredible claim

2) Accept lots of investor money

3) Focus on specific "products" when what really matters is the potential rewriting of ALL of modern science.

4) Claim that nobody is willing to review their work and/or that those who found nothing wrong with it won't go public due to some sort of fear (fear of lost reputation, violence, big companies, whatever-- none of it is believable).

5) Schedule a credible demo-- then at the last minute when everyone is already assembled, find an excuse to cancel and fail to deliver on each and every promise they made. In this case, "bearings" -- exactly like the Tilley scam. And not allowing anyone to see the non-functioning device at all.

6) Claim that they have turned down an unconceivably huge amount of money for their technology.

Remember Tilley? He said he had a $2 Billion dollar offer from General Motors pending.

Geez! These turkeys aren't bright enough even to add a new wrinkle. Well, maybe the so-called jury but that there is an actual jury looking at actual devices seems to be as much a fiction in Sean's feverish mind as anything else.

Steorn is a huge waste of time of energy except as a study-- a study of how easily people are bamboozled.

Frank said...

To be fair to the members of the SPUD. I think only a few are true believers in the Babcat fashion. Most are only along for the ride and wont be that surprised if everything evaporates.

I only bailed out of the SPUD myself because the appalling fiasco of the demo meant that either that McCarthy was a grossly incompetent manager not fit to be left in charge of whelk stall, else he was playing some silly games and manipulating people.

In the event I wished to have no part of either possibility.

Anonymous said...

I believe most of the people in the video's are SPDC members. You can hear many accents and understand every word if you listen.

To be fair, IMO, the vast majority of original SPDC members were not "true believers". However, I would think that even frank would have missed out on the vast virtual meltdown there post-demo failure. At this point, I would think the majority of intelligent folks would have stopped participating and that little of any import would be happening while folks would be waiting for Steorn to start doing what they say they will, IMO.

IMO, it would be a few believers nattering on about nothing and a few skeptics laughing at them while continuing to attempt to engage Steorn in a rational fashion...to no avail I would think. Sort of like what goes on here.

I could imagine that the list of broken promises there makes the public forum look nearly credible.

I might think that Steorn continue to play games of intrigue and drama by possibly "leaking" news of an impending major update (wink wink) through covert "behind the scenes" email correspondence and text messages with certain "special" SPDC members of a secret inner circle whose existence would be only alluded to in the most vague, cryptic and enigmatic ways to try to bully dissenting members into line with the fear of not getting to be a part of this hypothetical inner circle. I would think that many members would have been offended by that sort of noise and by Steorn's gall in even attempting that sort of BS in light of their current lack of credibility and the overall situation and promises of increased openness and transparency.

Of course, I couldn't provide any actual details of the abject horror and tragic humor of it all.

Alas, to be a fly on the wall ...

Anonymous said...

It is pointless to edit Youtube video, master tape/file is needed to get reasonable result.

energynotfree said...

"It is pointless to edit Youtube video, master tape/file is needed to get reasonable result."

If someone can convince me by writing a justification here, in one of these comment strings, that they have a need for the original files of the Steorn videos I posted on Youtube, I will send them to that person on a CD. FYI, they are 640 x 480 MPEG1 at 15 FPS. The unedited video is quite dark because the shades were drawn and that room was dark. I doubt you can process it better than I did.

In case someone really needs the originals and can justify it, I will read the more recent comments on this blog every few days for a while.

In order to justify getting originals you need to tell me exactly what you plan to do to improve the images and why that matters. Far as I can tell, nothing of any scientific value was done or said at that meeting.

Anonymous said...

Of course, I couldn't provide any actual details of the abject horror and tragic humor of it all.


of course!

reasonable speculations though; i'd be thinking some of the same.