Friday, July 6, 2007

Free Energy, Next Time

The CEO of Steorn, Sean McCarthy, has publicly announced that the Kinetica Demo of Steorn's Orbo will be postponed until further notice:

Folks,

We have had to make the unfortunate decision to deffer the public demonstration of our technology that was due to start on the 4th. I am very sorry that we have had to take this decision, I will provide a more detailed explanation of the reasons behind the decision later.

I would like to invite any of the forum members (SPDC or otherwise) who are in London to meet me at 15:00 here in Kinetica, were I will be available to answer any questions.

Very sorry about this, hope to see some of you at 15:00.

Thanks,

Sean
Steorn has also posted a press release regarding the decision:

Further to Steorn’s announcement yesterday (5th July) regarding the technical difficulties experienced during the installation of its “Orbo” technology at the Kinentica Museum in London, Steorn has decided to postpone the demonstration until further notice.

Sean McCarthy CEO stated that “technical problems arose during the installation of the demonstration unit in the display case on Wednesday evening. These problems were primarily due to excessive heat from the lighting in the main display area. Attempts to replace those parts affected by the heat led to further failures and as a result we have to postpone the public demonstration until a future date.”

He continued that “we apologise for the inconvenience caused to all the people who had made arrangements to visit the demonstration or were planning on viewing the demonstration online.”

Over the next few weeks the company will explore alternative dates for the public demonstration.

46 comments:

V said...

Noooooooooooooo!

Damn. Another huge disappointment.

Marc said...

Well, remove the lightning and start over / bring a backup device - don't remove the device and blame the lightning.

This sounds more like a hoax than ever...

Anonymous said...

Wow, Steorn were quite on top of things for months and over just 2 days have completely imploded. They release hobbit hat videos so obviously they own video equipment. Ok.. go to Steorn lab.. video all the orbos in action.. post the video!!! Oh wait, there are no orbos in action and even worse there is NO jury!! Will the 'believers' allow themselves to be strung along for another year? ROTFLMFAO!! drmike, your vacation could have been spent with your family, you must be pissed! It must hurt for the believers to be pimp slapped like this WTF!! /cry

Thicket said...

Awww man... that was great! The last few days have been a blast!!

Steorn and Co. have exceeded my greatest expectations. I figured they were competent enough to show at least something lame and unconvincing, but I was wrong.

Steorn clowns scurrying around with Bozo Sean at the helm. These incompetent fools are supposed to have discovered free energy??

I think Sean spent too much time conning gullible investors.

I predict it will take the remaining true believers at least two days to puff up their illusions, selectively forget all of Steorn's lies and declare their blind undying allegiance to Sean, Buffoon of the Year.

Anonymous said...

In the words of our historically unpopular President, "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

powerlord said...

Now I am really pissed off... I wasted so much time since last year tracking Steorn and the forum.... Now on, I'll try to erase Steorn from my memory till the time they offer proof by selling no-charge-required-cellphones , not just a cranky wanky wheel that breaks down if strong lights are around.

Nestor said...

I was always skeptic about Steorn and even though I didn't expect them to have tampered with the laws of nature, I hoped that they would somehow have created a very effective energe-like-source.

Their marketing is quite good and they get a lot of attention, that's not the problem.

But having no backup device, problems with the lighting makes it not believable for me anymore. How the heck would they even get this device implemented in daily use?

Whatever excuse they come with, I am even wondering what they have done the past half year. Didn't they prepare this?

Anonymous said...

Wait, Wait! Calm down. We don't even know the true meaning of this announcement yet.

They've smartly decided "to deffer the public demonstration of our technology that was due to start on the 4th."

I have checked 3 dictionaries and suspect that deffering the event means they will do it again -- IN THE PAST!

They will take what they've learned about demos, fix it last month, and start the exhibit on time ... or even early.

So have faith! We will all forget this episode and by the REAL July 6 (the one that sticks in history), the whole world will be amazed at the incredibly slick presentation that was (will have beem) achieved.

Never (mis)understimate the power of new science. Never!

Anonymous said...

Sean: We're going to fix the ORBO now...bye...

(cameras fixed on half of the device still in the box)

Summer Intern: hey, don't we need that part, too, to fix the ORBO?

Sean: Shhhh! Just move along and follow my lead if you want to keep your job!

Anonymous said...

WOW. I WAS RIGHT!

Already they have begun changing the text of their announcement ... IN THE PAST!

Really. Go look at the actual message on the Steorn website. I am absolutely sure it did say "deffer" but now it's saying "defer".

Oh wait. This might affect my analysis just a bit...


Either way, though, you must admit they ARE beginning to correct recent mistakes, so there's hope!

bc said...

I thought the demo would be unconvincing, I didn't expect such a spectacular failure ;)

So far Sean has challenged physics and God, I guess the next challenge is surviving an angry mob. The mob may not be so kind! How is Sean going to talk himself out of this one?

What a waste of €7 million! I hope the investors pull the plug before any more time and money is wasted.

Anonymous said...

The clowns don't get it right.
That's just a big hoax.

Anonymous said...

Was this a big poker bluff to the oil companies? Quadruple your offer or we'll show the world. Technical difficulties (negotiation) technical difficulties (negotiation) DEAL! Cancel demo... look like jackasses... go to the bank. Oil execs stare silently at the little Orbo spinning harmlessly on their conference room table... THE END!

Kent said...

My bets on Dr. Mike was promised to see the device after hours, away from the cameras, but never actually saw a working device either. That or he already debunked it.

Matt&Pob said...

This is becoming a little concerning now. For quite some time myself and a collegue have been following Steorn's developments of their orbo tehnology, after organising a public demo you would think they could get it to work. I just hope they are not sat supping Guiness with their investors money.

Father Luke Duke said...

"Steorn and Co. have exceeded my greatest expectations. I figured they were competent enough to show at least something lame and unconvincing, but I was wrong."
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Really? If they had shown a dodgy working machine (eg hidden power source) they would be fully into the realms of fraud. If the investors took action later they would be looking at jail.

As it is they just look like morons, and the investors would have no comeback - they just shouldn't have given their money to idiots. Caveat emperor and all that.

I think it's for the same reason Sean clearly states that the device has never generated a joule of electricity - they will still be able to claim genuine measurement error later on.

Even the embarrasing uni debate could be held up as evidence later, as in "hey look, we really thought we had something"

You're right though, the last 2 days have been a train crash, and I must say I've been totally addicted to following it again.

Anonymous said...

SPDC has started banning skeptics I hear. Grimer is the first.

Amazing how quick the banning has started.

Sean. You are an idiot.

Anonymous said...

Someone should send Grimer this way. Since he is banned from the SPCD, that should nullify the NDA.

Come on over Grimer, we would love to hear your thoughts on the SPDC.

Suomipoika said...

Banning from the SPDC doesn't nullify the NDA. Grimer is still under terms of NDA, only four years waiting will nullify it.

I have to consider my own future in the SPDC. I will make my decision after I've heard what Dr. Mike has to say. It's better be good.

Anonymous said...

Steorn has OU, but they do not want to make it too obvious that
they have it, so they put together a demo that would get publicity
for them, but leave enough doubt to let them, and the jury, work
in peace.

The device they made did very little work, so that people could
say that it might not be OU. They made sure it looked like
Perendev's motor so people could sneer at it. In fact, maybe it
_was_ a Perendev motor.

Then the thing melted. They have dozens of prototypes they could
have flown in from Dublin, but those are real motors - 20, 50, 100
bhp motors; not the kind of unambiguous OU they wanted to show.

They might have been able to build another phony motor in time,
but figured that by cancelling the demo and looking foolish now,
they can do the thing again in a few weeks with a little more of
the desired doubt. It's a win-win for them.

A few weeks after the next phony demo, they will have another,
more robust, but still suspicious, demo.

They will continue to manipulate the media this way until they are
ready for validation day.

Anonymous said...

... blueletter:Um, what exactly did Grimer reveal? Maybe I missed that part.

There wasn't anything secret in what he revealed, except that he copied a thread of posts that showed SPDC members full names. There was absolutely no reason for him to post that thread across here. People considered him a friend.

Frank Grimer said...

I posted the thread to show that people were behaving irrationally because they were being drawn into a cult.

Shaun has a pmm but it can't do any useful work. He is using it to set up a cult the cult of the Orbo.

Study how cults begin and you will see that I am correct.

Th failure was quite deliberate to separate the believers who could be manipulated from the rest.

Frank Grimer said...

I didn't have time to edit out the names but if the moderator allows me I will post it here after I have deleted the names.

maryyugo said...

"They have dozens of prototypes they could have flown in from Dublin, but those are real motors - 20, 50, 100 bhp motors; not the kind of unambiguous OU they wanted to show."

That's totally illogical and nonsensical and well, at this point, it can only be described as moronic!

Why in the world would they not show a powerful motor if they have one? It truly mystifies me that *anyone* can believe that at this point.

Clearly, you're no Mr. Spock!

Frank Grimer said...

Look at the pictures of him addressing the faithful. You will see the tables arranged round the Orbo in a liturgical fashion. Anyone who has ever had any connection with religion or seen horror films which deal with such things, will recognise it.

maryyugo said...

"The failure was quite deliberate to separate the believers who could be manipulated from the rest."

Wow! That's a stretch. What about this:

Sean's just following the common pattern of similar con men -- he's stretching out the gravy train as long as he can and leaving as much weasel room for himself as he can. It's what Carl Tilley, Beardsley, Dennis Lee, and all the other "successful" free energy frauders have done.

You can establish a cult based on something claimed to be supernatural. It's hard to imagine one being based on a little block of plastic that won't run.

SteornTracker said...

frank, as long as you've edited out the people's names, I don't see why not.

Anonymous said...

Agreed Frank that is a good theory, I've studied cult behaviour and there are parallels here. There was definitely something very bizarre about their behaviour over the last few days. On video outside the museum they don't even seem that stressed. They weren't in there beavering overnight, nothing was even fitted to the Orbo casing. It appears that no attempt was made to fix it.

The 15:00 hours meeting Friday was presumeably a recruiting drive. Interesting time of the day to pick. Didn't Jesus die at 3pm on a Friday? Perhaps Sean will claim in future that that was his crucifixion by the world who disbelieved in him.

The "documentary" being made is paid for by Steorn, so presumeably that is not a documentary at all but footage for a recruitment video once they have sorted out the wheat from the chaff.

The followers will be bilked of their money. That is perhaps the scam and the source of the funds that people have been looking for.

Frank Grimer said...

Anonymous is right about one thing. There is manipulation and the cockup was deliberate as Shaun admits. But it is him that is being manipulated, not the media.

Anonymous said...

But that is Frank's point it DOES run. It just doesn't run over-unity. And it doesn't create energy ex-nihilo (out of nothing).

The bilking of money comes about because followers get to see something we heathen didn't, a running Orbo. They therefore believe themselves to be priviledged because of their "faith" in a moment of darkness. (Like St. John at the foot of the cross). Sean convinces them that with more money they'll achieve over-unity build a spaceship and build a new paradise somewhere without the problems of this world.

Tom Cruise will be a member soon!

There are cults without explicit supernaturality. Read a little.

Frank Grimer said...

Mary

Well, if it "creates" energy, it is supernatural isn't it. That's why he never took up my suggestion of the Gamma-atmosphere.

Anonymous said...

OT:
Just to be excited about something that may actually have a chance at being real...

Did anyone see that EESTOR has a new US patent application published on 6/28/07 under Weir and Nelson.


# 20070148065

Frank Grimer said...

Mary

It will run but not do any useful work. One of the spuds has built one which ran for 8 hours.

maryyugo said...

Hi Frank,

If someone built a magnetic motor that runs without external power for eight hours, it'd be a wonderful toy! Where can I get one or plans for one that actually works? I very much doubt that one exists.

What I want to find is audio or a transcript of the questions asked of Sean and his answers at the 1500 GMT news conference he supposedly gave at Kinetica. Any idea where I can get it? Also was that private for just a priviledged few or was the press admitted. Were Dr. Mike, and some forum participants there?

Thanks.

bc said...

Interesting stuff Frank!

Having been involved with a start-up, a sort of fever infects the staff and occasionally investors who part with money. It's like if you believe it enough, it will happen. It's only when you break out of it do you realise that it was one plausible idea and the rest a persuasive pitch by the CEO.

PMM always tantalise by apparently being nearly possible, so I guess there will always be fresh recruits to the cult.

maryyugo said...

"But that is Frank's point it DOES run. It just doesn't run over-unity. And it doesn't create energy ex-nihilo (out of nothing).

The bilking of money comes about because followers get to see something we heathen didn't, a running Orbo. "

Small time scammers like Tilley can run their stuff on batteries and get away with it -- but remember he was in rural Tenessee where you will find very few rocket scientists. His scam took in a few hundred thousand dollars mostly from locals.

It's hard to believe that million Euro level investors in Steorn are so unsophisticated that they would not have properly tested a proferred "running Orbo".

After all, it's really not rocket science to test for overunity at the power levels and density that Steorn claims to have.

Given proper access to the running device, some simple electrical and temperature instruments, and that lengendary screwdriver and hammer Dr. Mike was supposed to take along, I could do it in a day or two at most.

One has to wonder why rich investors have not done so (or hired someone reliable like Dr. Mike, and there are millions of other competent people, to do so).

And what the heck is a "gamma atmosphere"?

Anonymous said...

"Over the next few weeks the company will explore alternative dates for the public demonstration."


NEXT FEW WEEKS! give me a freaking break!


GET STUFFED Sean!

Frank Grimer said...

Mary

You will find this unbelievable I know - but it is tapping a new source of energy. It's doing the equivalent of the Carnot cycle on the magnosphere, the source of energy responsible for the manifestation of magnetism and the magnetic hysteresis cycle.

Frank Grimer said...

"But that is Frank's point it DOES run. It just doesn't run over-unity. And it doesn't create energy ex-nihilo (out of nothing)."

That's not quite right. Just as the Crookes Radiometer abstracts real energy from one scale of motion, so also the Orbo abstracts energy from a much finer scale of motion. This has not been done before.

All talk about high power densities is bollocks but there is enough to self sustain against bearing friction and air resistance. That is true.

maryyugo said...

Frank, you're making a common error that so many honest and well meaning free energy enthusiasts make.

I don't give a flea's antenna *how* it works.

How do I get my grubby little hands (and efficient accurate instrumentation) on a device that WORKS? Can you tell me that please? I have plenty of money to buy one if you know where I can get it! But first it must WORK. Not just in the dark recesses of a mysterious laboratory-- in the open where everyone can see it.

Got one of those for me? Huhn?

maryyugo said...

Oh, and Frank, I am asking again. What the fook is the "gamma atmosphere"? Where do I find links or reference which describe this? Where are the experiments and actual data on what you mean by this? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Frank may be on to something, even though I thought all the Irish were good Catholics.

Maybe Sean found a way to make a semi-OU device and coincidentally decided he wanted to be a cult leader.

So he used his persuasive powers on several Irish investors whom he happened to know from the pub.

Falling under the orbo spell, they coughed up 14 million, with the intent to spread the Cult of Orbo.

And so we finally have The Demo, which selected more unfortunates for the 15:00 Black Mass.

They will return spreading more Orbo cultism; journalists will be next.

And then? Satan only knows.

bc said...

Frank says

You will find this unbelievable I know - but it is tapping a new source of energy.


Uh oh, Frank, sounds like you've still got the fever!

Frank Grimer said...

Mary

Read my papers in the File Section of the Beta-atmosphere Yahoo site and you will begin to understand what the Gamma-atmosphere is.

For anything else my email is
frankgrimer a in circle eff ess mail period net and no spaces.

Frank Grimer said...

Frank says

"You will find this unbelievable I know - but it is tapping a new source of energy.

Uh oh, Frank, sounds like you've still got the fever!"

Fair enough. It does sound like that I'll admit - but if you go to my Beta-atmosphere site and read the published papers you will find that though they are ....mmm... unconventional, they are coherently argued.

bc said...

Frank says:

"Fair enough. It does sound like that I'll admit - but if you go to my Beta-atmosphere site and read the published papers you will find that though they are ....mmm... unconventional, they are coherently argued."

I had a quick look. I am sorry Frank, but anything claiming to replace the known laws of physics automatically falls firmly into the category of "junk science". I didn't find the papers very coherent, they jumped off into strange tangents which obfuscated rather then enlightened.

I think the reasons concrete fails the way it does under compression is probably obvious, I don't see that it requires new laws of physics.